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another problem with ''SHAMON'' pls read...



 
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tg
Level 1 Judge


Joined: 04 Feb 2006
Posts: 53

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:45 am    Post subject: another problem with ''SHAMON'' pls read... Reply with quote

well u can see all that in this logs... T_T i dont have the game logs but u can see that lies he was saying O_O... Evil or Very Mad

<ThomasG> my opp (shamon)
<ThomasG> has a suspend rift bolt
<ThomasG> and when it remove the counter
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<ThomasG> he target my rusalska in play
<ThomasG> and draw
<Shamon> nothing
<ThomasG> after draw choose the target to me
<ThomasG> T_T
<ThomasG> stfu
<ThomasG> .
<Shamon> hbappeneed
<ThomasG> u targe my rusalska
<ThomasG> with bolt
<Shamon> he buried
<ThomasG> u drew
<ThomasG> remove the counter
<ThomasG> and
<ThomasG> target to me
<Shamon> 4 no rieason
<ThomasG> after
<Taffy> heyjudge, i was playing an opponent in league, he got disconnected, so we tryed to start again from game 2 and then he quit
<Shamon> he burried
<ThomasG> u target it
<Shamon> 4 no reson
<Shamon> no
<ThomasG> neeeehhh.
<Shamon> i targeted you
<ThomasG> u never
<ThomasG> target me
<ThomasG> until u draw the card
<ThomasG> so...
<Taffy> ....?
<Shamon> then creature is dead
<Shamon> i targeted yoju
<ThomasG> u never target me until u draw the card
<Shamon> if not then you creature us deade
<ThomasG> u target first my rusalska
<Shamon> not in play
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<ThomasG> har
<ThomasG> o
<ThomasG> <ThomasG> my opp (shamon)
<ThomasG> <ThomasG> has a suspend rift bolt
<ThomasG> <ThomasG> and when it remove the counter
<ThomasG> * Taffy has joined #Judges4you
<ThomasG> <ThomasG> he target my rusalska in play
<ThomasG> <ThomasG> and draw
<ThomasG> <Shamon> nothing
<ThomasG> <ThomasG> after draw choose the target to me
<ThomasG> <ThomasG> T_T
<Shamon> rift bolt
<Shamon> no ,sns oprn
<ThomasG> wtf
<ThomasG> are u saying?
<Shamon> mana open
<ThomasG> r u drunk?
<ThomasG> u target my rusalska
<ThomasG> after u drew
<ThomasG> and change the target
<ThomasG> for play a scab clan
<ThomasG> that's all the reason
<ThomasG> T_t
<ThomasG> and so?
<Shamon> ?/
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<Taffy> hi
<ShadowS> Hi
<ShadowS> anything else?
<Taffy> someone quit in the middle of one of my matches
<ThomasG> shadow
<ThomasG> can u rule our problem?
<Eliminator> no
<ShadowS> no thamoas
<ThomasG> why not?
<ShadowS> oh
<ShadowS> er
<ShadowS> lol
<Eliminator> !card Wall of Swords
<mrbotski> Wall of Swords | 3W | Creature - Wall | 3/5 | Defender (This creature can't attack.) Flying | 8th, 7th, 6th, PT, 5th, 4th, R, U, B, A
<ShadowS> sorry
<ShadowS> read that wrong
<Eliminator> no HHH1
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<ThomasG> k
<ThomasG> so take a decision
<Shamon> [03:01] <Shamon> hi
<Shamon> [03:02] <ThomasG> 200.8.23.109:4747
<Shamon> [03:02] <Shamon> pav?
<Shamon> [03:02] <Shamon> nm
<Shamon> [03:02] <ThomasG> call me
<Shamon> [03:14] <Shamon> we are in a game
<Shamon> [03:15] <ThomasG> yes and you are trying cheat me, lier
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> ThomasG puts Scorched Rusalka to Graveyard from Play
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> Shamon draws a card
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> <ThomasG> wtf
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> <ThomasG> no
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> Rift Bolt now has 0 (-1) counters.
<ThomasG> i think he's trying cheat me
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> <ThomasG> u target the rusalska
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> <ThomasG> NO
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> <Shamon> never
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> <Shamon> targeted
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> <Shamon> it\
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> <ThomasG> well
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> <ThomasG> i saw that
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> <ThomasG> j4u
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> <Shamon> ?
<Shamon> [03:15] <ThomasG> T_t
<Shamon> [03:15] <ThomasG> obv
<Shamon> [03:15] <ThomasG> there's nothing
<Shamon> [03:15] <Shamon> in a game
<Shamon> 8 Max Standard T2 no 10th tournament for App >> You have ended the tournament. Don't forget to end it on the www.magic-league.com too!
<Shamon> you at 3
<ThomasG> there's nothing for see the target
<ThomasG> why u dont post
<ThomasG> the other part
<ThomasG> lier
<ThomasG> ..
<Shamon> rift bolt 4 3 wins the game
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<Shamon> your at 3
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<ThomasG> wtf are u talking about¿
<fabio> if I play demonfire with x=3, with no cards in hand, and my oponent have dovescape in play
<ThomasG> ???
<fabio> what happnes?
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<ThomasG> it cant be countered
<ThomasG> so it's resolve
<Shamon> yes
<ThomasG> d
<Shamon> it can't be counter
<fabio> and i put tokens?
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<ThomasG> nop
<Shamon> your at 3
<Shamon> rift bolt
<ThomasG> shamon shut uo
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<ThomasG> up*
<ThomasG> you are drunk
<ThomasG> dude
<Shamon> is active
<ThomasG> rofl
<Shamon> so say draw
<Shamon> your at 3
<Shamon> you
<Shamon> lose
<Shamon> simple
<Shamon> its upkeep
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<Shamon> no response
* ThomasG ANY JUDGE HERE
<ShadowS> no response?
<ShadowS> O.o
<ShadowS> rift bolt has split seccond now?
<ShadowS> :<
<ThomasG> u see=?
<Shamon> no
<ThomasG> this guy
<ThomasG> is drunk
<ThomasG> we are in the second turn of the game
<Shamon> but let me draw
<ThomasG> and he said: you at 3 so u lose the game
<Shamon> after i draw
<ThomasG> lier
<ShadowS> you are at 3 on the seccond turn?
<ThomasG> no obv
<Shamon> not same phase
<ThomasG> is a lie
<ThomasG> im at 18
<ThomasG> down, dual and rusalska
<Shamon> 3\
<Shamon> 3
<ShadowS> I can't see what hes targetting
<ShadowS> but
<Shamon> judges
<ShadowS> I do see he removed a counter
<ShadowS> after he drew
<ShadowS> which is a tad wierd
<ThomasG> -.-
<Shamon> help me
<ThomasG> <Shamon> help me <-
<ShadowS> this isnt an SOS call
<ThomasG> saving longs
<Shamon> ok i'll report it
<ShadowS> okay
<ShadowS> you guys
<ShadowS> obviously
<ShadowS> have your own agenda
<ShadowS> I give up
<ThomasG> you not, him
<ShadowS> that or barely known english grammar
<ThomasG> =O
<ThomasG> he
<ThomasG> report
<ThomasG> 0-2
<ThomasG> for him
<Eliminator> !card Wood Sage
<mrbotski> Wood Sage | UG | Creature - Druid | 1/1 | T Name a creature card. Reveal the top four cards of your library. Put any of them that are the named card into your hand and the rest into your graveyard. | TE
<ThomasG> hey
<ThomasG> shadow
<ThomasG> -.-


he just report and i lose my points... i want thoses points back cuz no1 win and no1 lose... this f-ing guy was drunk i think... T_T
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kby



Joined: 03 Oct 2006
Posts: 146

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an appeal system...try to use it, instead of posting logs.

also.... who cares... you catch them when they cheat, you don't w8 till after the game...
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Meatwarz



Joined: 28 Jan 2006
Posts: 95

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mail a judge director. Worth dejudging.
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Meatwarz



Joined: 28 Jan 2006
Posts: 95

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mail a judge director. Worth dejudging.
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Strangla



Joined: 11 Jan 2007
Posts: 18

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shamon has always been a Fing Liar and always will be DONT trust him Justeverybody any time you get the chance to catch him doing something wrong Report him directly to a judge HE needs to be Dejudged we dont need people like him giving rulings
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tg
Level 1 Judge


Joined: 04 Feb 2006
Posts: 53

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meatwarz wrote:
Mail a judge director. Worth dejudging.


i did... now i want my points T_T... dam with this guy, he just report and leave m-l Y_Y
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BigBallin



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 33

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea one of the judges i played in a mini once cheated, he got the win becuase it was his mini and i reported him and nothing happened, so thast probally what will happen to you
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Fanboy



Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 424

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's sad here we have the largest population of free online magic and the people running things can't get their act together to really make something of this site. Mind you i'm pointing fingers at the lower end of the ladder (lvl 1 judges etc...).

Yea, they really need to add in logs when a target is made.

People prey on the blind spots of logs and MWS stuff to win. I've had numerous people use similar tactics on me in trials or even just abuse disconnects to hold a g1 win. And they usually get away with it. But it's hard to deal with, no one likes to hear the complaining and rarely will someone do something about it (but thank god when they do). You just gotta learn to be anal retentive.

it sucks ass i know.

I'm fairly sure I've been cheated about 70 point difference in my rating, if not more. Hell I can't remember who but i had one of the really high ranked people cheat me out of masters top 8.
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Pendragon



Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Posts: 40

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

* Shamon has joined #magic-league
* ChanServ sets mode: +b *!*@SolidIRC-83C3DF43.hsd1.ma.comcast.net
* Shamon was kicked by ChanServ (Shamon: akicked until further notice.)


I suppose that answers the question of whether this was true or not eh.
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warwizard87



Joined: 04 Oct 2006
Posts: 201

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good, guys like that need to be gotten rid of.

Its pretty lame how he tried to go back on his own story, no i shot you then drew. oh your dead any way. lame ass, grow up, get better at magic and come back once your actuly a good player who don't need to cheat .
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Jayzus



Joined: 02 Nov 2005
Posts: 25

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should be a sticky, where anyone can post a short (much shorter than this) reply stating that "X person on Magic League is a cheater", and if a certain name comes up enough times, it should be added to the first post of the sticky under a title like: DO NOT TRUST THESE CHEATERS.

We don't need mods to take care of this for us. . spreading info should be enough.
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TD



Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 110

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayzus wrote:
There should be a sticky, where anyone can post a short (much shorter than this) reply stating that "X person on Magic League is a cheater", and if a certain name comes up enough times, it should be added to the first post of the sticky under a title like: DO NOT TRUST THESE CHEATERS.

We don't need mods to take care of this for us. . spreading info should be enough.


A) This would be flaming.
B) A lot of people think their opponent is cheating somehow by making them play by the rules and not letting them take back plays.
C) A lot of people think their opponent is stacking their deck in MWS somehow, magically.
D) A lot of people are trolls.

All in all, this is why this ISN'T supposed to be posted on the forums. I'm pretty sure every judge could post something embarrassing about at least one player a day on the forums, but I doubt you'd all appreciate that.

Quote:
It's sad here we have the largest population of free online magic and the people running things can't get their act together to really make something of this site. Mind you i'm pointing fingers at the lower end of the ladder (lvl 1 judges etc...).


Go somewhere else then. You aren't a judge and, thus, obviously aren't willing to contribute, so instead you're complaining. We do this for free, and I'd say we do a very good job in general, especially given we're free. It isn't the fault of the J1s; there are always bad eggs, and we do try and keep people who are actually bad eggs out of judging. You do have to be approved and have to be knowledgable about Magic rules.

Dealing with players is a pain. If you think you can do a better job, then take the judge test and be a judge. It is a largely thankless job; most of you won't even say thanks for running a mini or a trial or whatever.
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Konda



Joined: 09 Sep 2004
Posts: 10

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a long time go i met another bad judge i remember in appr i changed the color of my story circle to red and he told that i didnt choose a color until end of turn so i lost my story circle sinsce he had many TC friends and logs couldn show that i changed color(that happens in aprr) i couldnt do anything
i think that 2 expiriences does not do this a bad site it is the best one but we need some Lv 3 judges (or at least 2) that can prevent bad bull TCs(that of course are a minority) from cheating unfortunatllly most of L3 judges would get easealy a real job and wouldnt be here for us all the time
Sad

BTW thanks to all magic league staff(most of you do all 4 free) and thx to all good TCs
i`m trying to become a real judge so i will take the test for TC too
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