What happens?

Rack vs Bottled Cloister · Guest

Lets say I have a Rack out and my opponent has a Bottled Cloister. Both have thier effect happen at the beginning of his upkeep. Would he take 3 for not having any cards since they get removed by Bottled Cloister or would he take no damage at all? Thanks.

ant900 · Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2473 Location: somewhere

APNAP(active player, non-active player)

which pretty much means the active player's triggers go on the stack before the non-active player's, and since it triggers during his turn the cloister will trigger first, and then the rack will trigger after it, meaning the rack will resolve first and he takes 3

nephilim207 · Joined: 24 Sep 2006 Posts: 161

Well, it depends. I suppose your opponent has over 3 cards in hand when the situation takes place. So if that is true, then it is your opponent's choice whether he takes 3 or not. The person who has priority gets to choose which effect goes on the stack first. If he stacks the rack effect, and then the Cloister effect, then he takes 3, because he has no cards in hand when the rack checks for hand size. But, when you put the cloister on the stack, then the rack on the stack, he takes none. That is because the rack checks for hand size BEFORE the cloister ability triggers.

At least that's what I think happens.

djww19 · Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 396

Neph's right. The active player has priority in choosing how the abilities stack.

ant900 · Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2473 Location: somewhere

Guest · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject:

Neph's wrong...the only time the active player doesnt get to choose the order triggered abilites go on the stack, they go in the order of active player, non-active player. That means that in this case the bottle cloister goes on the stack first, then the rack. This means the rack resolves first, making the bottle cloister player take 3(less if he's somehow got a card in hand). Then the cloister resolves and his hand returns. The only time a player gets to choose the order triggered abilities stack is if multiple triggered abilities all controlled by the same player went on the stack at the same time (think multiple slide/rifts all controlled by one person, that person can choose the order they all happen).

ronjeremyjr · Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 42

Neph's wrong...the active player doesnt get to choose the order triggered abilites go on the stack, they go in the order of active player, non-active player. That means that in this case the bottle cloister goes on the stack first, then the rack. This means the rack resolves first, making the bottle cloister player take 3(less if he's somehow got a card in hand). Then the cloister resolves and his hand returns. The only time a player gets to choose the order triggered abilities stack is if multiple triggered abilities all controlled by the same player went on the stack at the same time (think multiple slide/rifts all controlled by one person, that person can choose the order they all happen).

Meldethar · Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 86 Location: USA

Ant is right. APNAP (Active Player / Non-active Player) Order stacks the player whose turn it is' effects first, followed by the other player's. So the rack would resolve before the cloister's ability, dealing 3 to him.