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Atrum_X
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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 Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:58 am Post subject: Dark-Fire Elemental |
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//22 Lands
4 [SHM] Graven Cairns
4 [10E] Sulfurous Springs
4 [10E] Ghitu Encampment
3 [MR] Swamp (2)
4 [CHK] Mountain (3)
3 [MOR] Mutavault
//24 Creatures
4 [LRW] Incandescent Soulstoke
3 [LRW] Nova Chaser
3 [LRW] Flamekin Harbinger
4 [LRW] Smokebraider
2 [EVE] Thunderblust
3 [LRW] Shriekmaw
4 [SHM] Fulminator Mage
1 [LRW] Ashling the Pilgrim
//14 Spells
3 [LRW] Profane Command
3 [LRW] Makeshift Mannequin
2 [ARB] Bituminous Blast
2 [ALA] Soul's Fire
4 [ARB] Terminate
// Sideboard
SB: 4 [SHM] Vexing Shusher
SB: 3 [SHM] Everlasting Torment
SB: 4 [CFX] Volcanic Fallout
SB: 4 [ALA] Magma Spray
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DoomBring3r
Joined: 30 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:27 am Post subject: |
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3 [LRW] Incandescent Soulstoke is a 4 of
3 [LRW] Nova Chaser is a 4 of
1 [MOR] Spitebellows is meh
3 [LRW] Flamekin Harbinger is a 4 of
4 [LRW] Smokebraider
2 [EVE] Thunderblust is a crap card, sorry, you might want to use Hell's Thunder instead.
3 [LRW] Shriekmaw is most likely a 4 of
4 [SHM] Fulminator Mage is teh nutz
1 [LRW] Ashling the Pilgrim is bad bad baaaaad
And Soul's Fire is also bad in Constructed apart from Affinity.
Championing Thunderblust might have been a good plan, but that's too lategame and this deck must win fast, so consider running Hellspark Elementals aswell.
Other than that, i'd run that BR dude that gives haste to BR creatures, it's nuts with Nova Chaser and a good Champion target. |
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Vedrfolner
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: |
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The only playable champion creature is Mistbind Clique. Nova Chaser sucks mouldy camel balls.
You are right about the other stuff.
Try to make a ultra-aggro Elemental Shaman deck. Rage Forger ftw. |
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Atrum_X
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Nova chaser is an AWESOME card, no idea what that guy is even talking about...
if you champion harbringer, every time chaser leaves game, harbringer will get any card I want, maybe another chaser...
if on top of that you combine with soulstoke's ability, you get an 11/3 trample haste, how on earth can that guy EVEN THINK chaser sucks???
I updated it and took out the spitebellows for another soulstoke, I used to have spitebellows to have a searchable card that can destroy big creatures that cannot be destroyed by shriekmaw, like Doran or Chameleon Colossus, and it is not a bad target for makeshift mannequin after evoke, although... testing things through, it may not be worth having him main deck
What's wrong with thunderblust?
Big creature, haste, persist
with smokebraider turn 2, thunderblust will come into play turn 3
with soulstoke, he will perist even if I have to sacrifice him at EOT |
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Vedrfolner
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| Atrum_X wrote: | Nova chaser is an AWESOME card, no idea what that guy is even talking about...
if you champion harbringer, every time chaser leaves game, harbringer will get any card I want, maybe another chaser...
if on top of that you combine with soulstoke's ability, you get an 11/3 trample haste, how on earth can that guy EVEN THINK chaser sucks???
I updated it and took out the spitebellows for another soulstoke, I used to have spitebellows to have a searchable card that can destroy big creatures that cannot be destroyed by shriekmaw, like Doran or Chameleon Colossus, and it is not a bad target for makeshift mannequin after evoke, although... testing things through, it may not be worth having him main deck
What's wrong with thunderblust?
Big creature, haste, persist
with smokebraider turn 2, thunderblust will come into play turn 3
with soulstoke, he will perist even if I have to sacrifice him at EOT |
Every time you play Nova Chaser, the opponent will kill the creature(s) you have in play - if any. That way, you pay 4 mana to let him 2-for-1. You cannot assume that things you do will go the way you want. Champion is a terrible drawback because if the opponent has mana untapped, you run a game-losing risk playing it.
Certainly, activating Soulstoke to put a Nova Chaser into play championing Harbinger to hit for 11 four turns in a row is a very good situation to be in, but if you play against a good player with a good deck, it will _never_ happen.
Nova Chaser isn't an "undiscovered gem". It was played the first two weeks after the release, then stuffed away into the shit pile where it belongs. |
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Atrum_X
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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I am aware of how champion works, and how if I play vs a good player could turn out, but I also am a good player myself, therefore I know when it is a good or bad time to play him, for example, if I only have 1 creature in play and my opponent has enough mana untapped I will be smart enough to not to play nova and therefore not to lose a 2 to 1 creature as you said
so yes, champion is a risk, but this does not make him a bad card, as long as a good player is using it, the card will be good
besides, the deck itself has been working greatly overall! even vs a bunch of metagame decks |
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JSUOversoul
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Vedrfolner is exactly right, Nova Chaser is terrible, esp. in a format with so much spot removal and sweepers that wipe out your entire team with Elementals. There is a reason that good constructed decks, even those based around Elementals (yes, there have been a few), do not run Nova Chaser, and that reason is EXACTLY what Vedrfolner spelled out for you in his last post. The reason Mistbind is so good is because of they have no instant speed response to it, it's a 4-mana Time Walk 95% of the time. Nova Chaser has no great comes-into-play ability to make up for the fact that it's a 2-toughness creature that DIES TO EVERYTHING IN THIS FORMAT. If you want to use Nova Chaser, nobody will stop you, but just prepare to get it handed to you if you run up on a good, solid constructed deck with even a decent player with even decent knowledge of this format. You will lose, sorry. You mentioned that if you champion a Harbinger with your Chaser, then you'll just go get another Chaser when it comes back into play. If they kill the Harbinger in response to your Chaser, then you get nothing, except for card disadvantage and no board.
By the way, these "metagame decks" you mentioned... which ones were they, exactly? Just curious to see which one(s) of the established strongest decks in the format you actually beat on a regular basis, and not just a 1-match, 1 time deal. |
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Vedrfolner
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Atrum_X wrote: | | if I only have 1 creature in play and my opponent has enough mana untapped I will be smart enough to not to play nova |
Precisely.
It is too circumstantial. That is what makes it a bad card. That, and the fact that it isn't that good without Incandescent Soulstoke, making it a combo card that doesn't instantly win you the game when it "goes off". It is a terrible topdeck if (when) you don't have any creatures on the board, and you need 2 or more other creatures in play (both elementals, which is in itself a drawback) or a tapped out opponent in order to play it at all without risk of losing the game.
About the deck: I have played elementals for a long time, and I think that the Rbu and the mono red elemental shaman versions were both fun to play and cheap to make.Nice tier 3 decks. |
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JestersBoots
Joined: 09 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Atrum_X wrote: | | if you champion harbringer, every time chaser leaves game, harbringer will get any card I want, maybe another chaser... |
Did anyone else just hear Peter Griffin say "A boat is a boat, but a mystery box could be anything! It could even be a boat! You know how much I've always wanted one of those!?!"
I liked this deck better when it ran Reviellark, and actually won sometimes. |
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