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Big Trees, Quick Mana



 
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dbough



Joined: 19 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:29 pm    Post subject: Big Trees, Quick Mana Reply with quote

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
16 [SHM] Forest (3)
4 [MOR] Murmuring Bosk
4 [CS] Arctic Flats

// Creatures
4 [LRW] Treefolk Harbinger
3 [10E] Llanowar Elves
3 [10E] Skyshroud Ranger
3 [MOR] Bosk Banneret
2 [LRW] Doran, the Siege Tower
3 [MOR] Leaf-Crowned Elder
2 [MOR] Indomitable Ancients
2 [TSP] Scarwood Treefolk
2 [LRW] Dauntless Dourbark
2 [MOR] Unstoppable Ash
2 [LRW] Timber Protector
2 [MOR] Orchard Warden

// Spells
3 [10E] Rampant Growth
3 [10E] Overgrowth


Basically, 1 drops provide quick mana, card tutoring (hence the low number of each big card) and chump blocking. The 2 and 3 mana are again, for pulling in mana or reducing the cost of big spells. The rest are trees - lots and lots of trees using each other to get even bigger.

Haven't fully playtested yet, but after a few solo games it seems quick considering the CC of most cards. In case you get burned quick the first few rounds, Orchard Warden can quickly gain your life back.

Let me know what you think!!

DB
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TekNique



Joined: 19 Mar 2008
Posts: 157

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is too slow of a deck. I already spent like 3 weeks and lots of cash trying to make it work. The best treefolk deck revolves around doran+collossus+dourbark but it is a much better deck if you just make it a doran rock deck, then again to make that work you need Tarmogoyf. $200 for a playset is too high for me but maybe you already have them?
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activesilver



Joined: 14 Apr 2008
Posts: 13

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 leaf-crowned elder + 4 cream of the crop = lol!
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dbough



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Posts: 16

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No - dont have the cards - and yes they would be TOO expensive to buy. I'd use this one solely in MWS.

I don't think its too slow. You have enough mana acceleration and chump blockers to get you through the first 2 to 3 rounds.

The mana curve is definitely out there though:

1CC x10
2CC x6
3CC x5
4CC x11
5CC x2
6CC x 2
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dbough



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

activesilver wrote:
4 leaf-crowned elder + 4 cream of the crop = lol!


Did I hear a niner in there? Is this a suggestion? Comment? Tourette's outbreak?
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activesilver



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Posts: 13

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my mono-green treefolk deck pretty much relies on not getting hit hard at the start then goes mental, it's real good in multis when it gets out 2 timber protectors(ma mates are wog/damnation happy)

4 treefolk harbinger
4 bosk banneret
4 dauntless dourbark
4 leaf-crowned elder
4 unstoppable ash
4 timber protector

4 lignify
4 cream of the crop
4 primal command
2 garruk wildspeaker

22 forest
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TekNique



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doran? chameleon colossus? easy to splash doran with murmuring bosk and birds of paradise
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activesilver



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for doran i'm kind of a mono-green-deck-freak and when the deck goes well it's summoning a creature every turn with no mana left over for any colossus tricks and i dont play against enough black to use him for his pro black and i don't have much money to spend(i pulled 1 garruk from a booster and traded a countryside crusher for the other)
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Vedrfolner



Joined: 04 Apr 2006
Posts: 1194

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:08 am    Post subject: Re: Big Trees, Quick Mana Reply with quote

dbough wrote:
// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
16 [SHM] Forest (3)
4 [MOR] Murmuring Bosk
4 [CS] Arctic Flats

// Creatures
4 [LRW] Treefolk Harbinger
3 [10E] Llanowar Elves
3 [10E] Skyshroud Ranger
3 [MOR] Bosk Banneret
2 [LRW] Doran, the Siege Tower
3 [MOR] Leaf-Crowned Elder
2 [MOR] Indomitable Ancients
2 [TSP] Scarwood Treefolk
2 [LRW] Dauntless Dourbark
2 [MOR] Unstoppable Ash
2 [LRW] Timber Protector
2 [MOR] Orchard Warden

// Spells
3 [10E] Rampant Growth
3 [10E] Overgrowth


Basically, 1 drops provide quick mana, card tutoring (hence the low number of each big card) and chump blocking. The 2 and 3 mana are again, for pulling in mana or reducing the cost of big spells. The rest are trees - lots and lots of trees using each other to get even bigger.

Haven't fully playtested yet, but after a few solo games it seems quick considering the CC of most cards. In case you get burned quick the first few rounds, Orchard Warden can quickly gain your life back.

Let me know what you think!!

DB


Indomitable Ancients are not good in this deck. It costs 2WW.

Unless you draw a Murmuring Bosk+Harbinger or Harbingerx2, it is unlikely that you will get both the mana for Doran and Doran himself. You would need 2 Murmuring Bosk or 1 of them and a Arctic Flats as well as a Forest to play him. He is the best card in your deck by far.

Fertile Ground is a lot better than Overgrowth. It also helps you play Doran. Birds of Paradise is better yet, though.

Search for Tomorrow, Edge of Autumn and Into the North are all better than Overgrowth and Skyshroud Ranger.

Use 4 Elves, 4 Bannerets. Cards that you want in opening hand needs to have the highest percent chance possible to do so.

You have absolutely no chance against fliers and other evasive creatures. A few sideboard cards won't help much. You need consistent maindeck tech as well. Cloudcrown Oak is a cheap in-theme option.

Scarwood Treefolk isn't constructed material.

You should have 4 Dauntless Dourbark in there.
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Edowardo



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 13

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dbough wrote:


Did I hear a niner in there?


That movie is amazing thanks for the quote. I hear harmonize is good in green decks.
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dbough



Joined: 19 Mar 2005
Posts: 16

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
16 [SHM] Forest (3)
4 [MOR] Murmuring Bosk
3 [CS] Arctic Flats

// Creatures
4 [LRW] Treefolk Harbinger
4 [10E] Llanowar Elves
4 [MOR] Bosk Banneret
2 [LRW] Doran, the Siege Tower
3 [MOR] Leaf-Crowned Elder
4 [LRW] Cloudcrown Oak
2 [MOR] Indomitable Ancients
4 [LRW] Dauntless Dourbark
2 [LRW] Timber Protector
2 [MOR] Orchard Warden

// Spells
3 [LRW] Fertile Ground
3 [10E] Rampant Growth

In:
+1 Bosk Banneret
+3 Fertile Ground
+4 Cloudcrown Oak
+1 Dauntless Dourbark
+1 Llanowar Elves

Out:
-3 Skyshroud Ranger
-3 Overgrowth
-1 Arctic Flats
-2 Indomitable Ancients
-2 Unstoppable Ash
-2 Scarwood Treefolk

Meh - thats fuzzy math - I'm missing something I think.

Anyhow - the reason you can get away w/o full playsets of cards is the Harbringer. In essence, you're getting 6 of each card - you can tutor for what you need if you don't naturally draw it.

Indomitable is in to play off Doran - but it is not the only winning condition. You have enough big hitters - its just another combo you have to work with.

Good point about fliers - I've added Cloudcrown Oak to deal with that. Not a HUGE solution, but its something for now. I need to playtest the deck today to see how it works out and go from there.

Thanks for all the input! Keep it coming Wink

DB
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Dameykins



Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Posts: 35

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dbough wrote:
Meh - thats fuzzy math - I'm missing something I think.


then learn to count
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Vedrfolner



Joined: 04 Apr 2006
Posts: 1194

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you didn't take out the Indomitable Ancients.

The deck still has 60 cards in it, so that's ok.
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dbough



Joined: 19 Mar 2005
Posts: 16

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dameykins wrote:
dbough wrote:
Meh - thats fuzzy math - I'm missing something I think.


then learn to count


Brilliant - thank you for your contribution.
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ILikeBananas



Joined: 01 Aug 2006
Posts: 139

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 Reach of branches. As a one of, you can tutor it up. With all the forests you have, this card can generate card advantage overtime.

Dauntless dourbark is really good. I recommend a full set of 4.

-2 indomitable ancients

+1 timber protector.

+3 garruk. Garruk is a one man army, mana accelerator, and overrun all in one. You want this card for treefolk since they lack trample.

-2 scarwood treefolk

-2 orchard warden. If you want life gain, I'd rather play primal command. It doubles as grave hate and tutor.

-2 unstoppable ash. Treefolk have enough toughness. I highly doubt most decks can block one without trading at least 2 for 1. If they decide to trade, it was probably in your favor anyways.

Burn decks aren't going to burn your treefolks. It'll cost them probably 2 cards.

I think doran might be a bit excessive in a true treefolk deck for reason above - they are big enough. I'd much rather run the snow package (scrying sheets, mouth of ronom) then having to run certain lands to fix mana needed for Doran.

If this is a serious deck, then you need some air defense as faeries are the #1 deck. Green has lots of cards that can help. You definitely want squall line in your SB. I can guarantee your defeat game 1 vs any faeries deck.

Edit: I just realized you updated your deck. the above was for your original post.
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