R/W Stuffy Swans

Peligrad · Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 13

This is my new T2 deck. I hate tribals and I think the deck reflects that. Let me know what you think.

Creatures:

Stuffy Doll x 4
Swans of Bryn Argoll x 4
Volcano Hellion x 2

Other Spells:

Incinerate x 4
Pariah x 4
Pyroclasm x 4
Skred x 4
Sulfurous Blast x 4
Oblivion Ring x 4
Coldsteel Heart x 4

Lands:

Snow-Covered Plains x 11
Snow-Covered Mountain x 11

Sideboard:

Wheel of Sun and Moon x 3
Magus of the Moon x 4
Disenchant x 4
Momentary Blink x 4

The basic idea behind it is to burn and destroy any non-land permanents the opponent plays in the early game. Then in the later game toss swans and burn them to replenish hand and eventually drop a volcano hellion or a skred on stuffy doll to win. Thus far the deck has done well against everything I've played against. The most problematic opponent has been black/blue counter destroy (especially sudden death) but agro decks haven't gotten to keep creatures on the board and tribals can't build up against the burn which are two of the major deck types in the T2 format.

Dannar · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

Pithing Needle hates on Stuffy Doll

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 487

I don't see how. Pithing Needle doesn't seem to do anything to Stuffy Doll except stop 1 damage per turn...

Now Oblivion Ring on the other hand..that's a problem. So are Nameless Inversion and Profane Command. All of those see more play than Pithing Needle anyway.

Peligrad · Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 13

its true, pithing needle only stops activated abilities stuffy doll would not be able to go emo on itself but nuking it would still hit the targeted player. The come into play effect is a triggered ability not an activated ability so pithing needle has no effect.

In response to nameless inversion and oblivion ring ect. turn to mist...or better yet skred it a couple times in response and just kill the opponent...

let me add that you can only run 4 oblivion rings or nameless inversions (not many decks run both). Sudden death is not heavily played, and I have enough burn to keep anything from sticking on the table. So even if the opponent kills a stuffy doll..or even all the stuffy dolls the swans are going to put them on a 5 turn clock.

R3wind · Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 880

I would play all four Sulfurous Blast. You may want to drop the Disenchant for some Mana fixin'

Peligrad · Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 13

I would like to keep the disenchants. They take care of a lot of combos and defenses. For instance oblivion ring, pithing needle, i.e. the stuff that kills the deck or worse yet seismic assault...problem with playing the swans is that they work for the opponent too...

Ownj00 · Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 72

you don't play disenchant main. not even in this format. wrong.

Peligrad · Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 13

perhaps in most decks you wouldn't because you are worrying about wasting a draw...this is a late game combo deck. Unlike most decks that try to do something offensive early game, this deck sit back and tries to slow down the other's progress. IMO disenchant is essential because it may be the key to the other deck's impediment. It also needs to do something offensive later and most impediments to this sort of combo are either artifacts or enchantments. To say you don't main deck disenchant with defense in mind because it MAY not be useful is ignorant.

Miztef · Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 7

May I suggest Volcanic Hellion? If you have more life then your opponent, you win with it and stuffy doll. It's an win at any life with stuffy and pariah.

Also, Lightning axe becomes a fairly good utility spell in this deck, with all sorts of options attached. it could be a replacement for skred that allows for more land options.

Love the deck so far, needs some tweaking for better answers to the big decks, but I really like it.

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 487

floreskiller · Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 96

Just a random idea but you can try to test Swans and Deep Slumber Titan with Pyrohemia and Sulfurous Blast in the same deck.

sorot · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 14

RUNE HAlO

Shuffy....

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Peligrad · Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 13

Miztef · Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 7

just some quick suggestions from me again:

condemn - There has got to be something out there that works better for this deck. This card seems to go directly against the plan the deck has. I'd suggest sunlance off hand, but even that seems suboptimal.

Shivan Meteor - this can be replaced by volcanic hellion. I can't see a many situations where the meteor is better, although I suppose the biggest problem is when you have less health the your opponent, then it doesn't work too well.

skred - Love the card, but lightning axe comes to mind as an alternative. With swans as an engine, dicarding 1 card doesn't seem that big a leap, and you can use it to get rid of early threats in addition to a semi win condition. The biggest help is that it completely frees your mana base to great stuff like mutavault, the R/W dual land, and possibly more.

Turn to mist - Certainly powerful, but is it better then just more straight burn style cards or other solutions? I don't have an alternative here, but I think there are better options for this slot.

Anyway, thanks for listening, I may be retrying this deck, so I look forward to seeing how/if it develops.

R3wind · Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 880

I would also like to add that Condemn does not fit the deck very well. Incinerate fits the plan a lot better. Maybe you should also move the Turn to Mist to the sideboard if you keep it at all.

I think that you have the basic deck idea down for sure. Have you thought about running your spells more like this?

4x Coldsteel Heart
4x Skred
4x Incinerate
4x Pyroclasm
4x Sulfurous Blast
4x Oblivion Ring
4x Pariah

I feel that Turn to Mist is very good. I just don't think that it is as good as a faster clock. Coldsteel Heart speeds your clock by one turn. One turn is a huge differance in a very aggro heavy metagame as we are in now.

If you don't mind going the money for all of the pain lands you could get crazy things going into the deck/sideboard like Tamanoa. I would almost main deck it, if it would not make the mana so wonky.

If you stay RW I would make a basic sideboard of...

4x Aven Riftwatcher (RDW/FAE/Stompy)

3x Blink! (You can set Coldsteel to U for flashback and still play Swans faster!)

3x Disenchant (Mostly for O-Ring fights/Bitterblossom/Shield of the Oversoul/Everlasting Torment)

3x Wheel of Sun and Moon(Combo decks/Persist)

2x Pithing Needle (man-lands/Combo decks/Stuff)