vexing shusher doesnt do shit in standard

SaTiVa · Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 196

Turn 2 eyes of the wisent on the play seems better than the shusher i do agree...

and eyes of the wisent is in how many SB's?

I say lets leave it to the pros and see ifa R(/g) aggro deck makes T8 if it does include shushers in its board

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 488

This is directed at all the people saying "zomg it makes all your spells cost one more that so suck yo..."

You don't have to pay the extra mana for EVERY spell, just the ones they try to counter. You can respond to a counterspell by making the spell they are attempting to counter uncounterable.

It's not spectacular, but it's not BAD.

Cranemaker21 · Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 70

They can always kill your shusher in response of you playing a spell and then counter the spell in response of the ability, I think it will be played as a wish target. go go hybrid

Ggerg · Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 422

ggerg thinks eldar has a way with words

ggerg agrees with eldar completely

horray for brain-power

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 488

natethetank · Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 67

the thing people are missing is that so few decks run enough counterspells for any of your scenarios to be relevant. if i ever killed a shusher so i could rune snag instead of killing goyf you should tell me so i can realize and precede to quit magic. its bad as a creature, it bad as a deck hoser.
it doesnt do anything. to tugas point about not having to spend the mana. to protect the spell you need the mana open which means your not curving out but instead waiting. unless you tap out for spells (which defeats the point of shusher) its going to slow you considerably and make it quite easy for a control deck to beat you. maybe if control decks retake the format by storm shusher will become good but even in that scenario i dont think so.

natethetank · Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 67

sorot · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 14

USELESS

only small 2/2

for 8 $...

natethetank · Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 67

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 488

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Vedrfolner · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1262

I think it is clear that when Shusher enters play in a game where he is relevant, game strategies, inevitability, board position and hand position changes. Not by much, but by enough for him to be an ok sb card for R/G mid-tempo decks or decks that in general likes one specific spell to get through, against decks which relies on counterspells for defense.

He is not a fantastic card because all the above is actually very circumstantial. His use is narrow.

The good part about his ability isn't that he can make a spell uncounterable per se, but that you can play a spell - THEN - wait for him to try counter it before you activate it, trading tempo for card advantage. This means that spells are potentially a little more costly for you, but in reality noone will bother trying to counter a spell if you have mana open. If you use his ability right, you will win in the long term against decks who relies on counterspells.

But no decks relies on counterspells in this meta; Counterspell itself needs to reprinted in order for X/U control to have any say now. That doesn't make the card bad, though. It can be better once Wizards are done with their tribal theme folly.

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 488

I want to have the most recent comment in all the forum posts on the front page. >.>

acartizle · Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 53

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 860

he isnt terrible, hes just not as good in t2 as he is in other formats. hed be good if like guile decks were more popular, or anything else with heavy counters but vs faeries its not that good. i still think its better than you guys give its credit for but i think it was overrated.