wither and regeneration

chriscone · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 18

can someone tell me if my understanding is right for this; if a 1/1 creature with regeneration blocks a creature with wither, it can still prevent the damage and thus recieve no -1 counters?

on the other side if a -1/-1 counter is moved to a regeneration 1/1 creature then it would die?

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 449

Umm..what gave you the idea that regenerating a creature prevents damage to it?

chriscone · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 18

MaksymG · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 150

That was not much of a response thedarkness.

To answer your question, regeneration removes lethal damage that has been accumulated onto a creature (I say accumulated because it can come from various sources) So for example, if a watchwolf gets blocked by a 1/1 token and then gets shocked, it would get destroyed due to lethal damage. Regeneration prevents it from being destroyed, removes it from combat, and removes all damage on it. Regeneration DOES NOT remove assigned damage. That is to say that if you have a regenerating creature that blocks another, bigger creature, and your opponent stacks damage and then plus mortify on your creature, by regenerating you will not remove assigned damage, merely remove it from combat. So to answer your question, damage is not prevent it is simply removed and since wither deals damage in form of -1/-1 counters, no damage is dealt or stacked upon a creature and so regeneration is useless.

MaksymG · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 150

double post

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 449

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 449

Maksym, it wasn't a response at all.

I didn't feel comfortable providing a response to that question without knowing what I was answering, hence my asking where he got prevention from.

I could probably have figured it out, but I'm dead freakin' tired right now, so I figured if I'm gonna stay awake to answer this, I don't want to waste energy thinking about it. Razz

chriscone · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 18

thanks for the replies...best way i know to learn is to ask questions.

chriscone · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 18

it was my mistake in using the word prevention.

I am aware that the damage is not prevented but rather it's removed, thus all the triggers resulting from damage having been delt would trigger.

i have , since posting, found this on the magic site.

502.80. Wither

502.80a Damage dealt to a creature by a source with wither doesn't stay on that creature (see rule 212.3g). Rather, it causes that many -1/-1 counters to be put on that creature.

502.80b Multiple instances of wither on the same object are redundant.

* Wither's effect applies to any damage, not just combat damage.

* The -1/-1 counters remain on the creature indefinitely. They won't be removed if the creature regenerates or the turn ends.

* Since damage from a source with wither is real damage, it follows all the other rules for damage. It can be prevented or redirected. When it's dealt, it will cause lifelink and other similar abilities to trigger.

GnikXela · Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 60

And just to add on to the redirecting...The redirected damage to a player would be actual damage. This is because wither says damage dealt to creatures is dealt in -1/-1 counters. (I know this is an obvious point, but I figured some people might over look this.)