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Coffee7676
Joined: 09 Apr 2008
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 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: last gasp |
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kinda new to this game.
just wondering...if someone has a marsh flitter. you last gasp it. but in response he sacrifices a goblin to make it a 3/3. it dies rit? my friend says it doesnt. iono... |
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gypsy
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| why wouldnt it die? you make it a 3/3 it gets -3/-3 |
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Coffee7676
Joined: 09 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| gypsy wrote: | | why wouldnt it die? you make it a 3/3 it gets -3/-3 |
thats what i thought, they were telling some wierd ass stuff. just wanted to make sure i wasnt missing anything. |
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TugaChampion
Joined: 26 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| nice combo: Doran+nameless inversion=last gasp |
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Y2Sky
Joined: 12 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Marsh Flitter's ability modifies it's base power and toughness. Without getting into the full explanation of "layers" and effects, suffice to say that base p/t modifications are applied before p/t "modifiers" such as Last Gasp or Nameless Inversion.
Therefore, when Last Gasp resolves, the Marsh Flitter, a 3/3 creature will have a -3/-3 modifier applied to its p/t, making it 0/0, sending it to the graveyard as a result of it having 0 toughness. |
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Coffee7676
Joined: 09 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:10 am Post subject: |
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heh, thanks for explaining.  |
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Hardtrack
Joined: 10 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Y2Sky wrote: | | Marsh Flitter's ability modifies it's base power and toughness. Without getting into the full explanation of "layers" and effects, suffice to say that base p/t modifications are applied before p/t "modifiers" such as Last Gasp or Nameless Inversion. |
That's no true. Last Gasp and the ability of Marsh Flitter are applied in the same layer in timestamp order.
If you would play Last Gasp on a 5/5 making it a 2/2 and then play the ability of Mirror Entity at 5, it would be a 5/5 again, completely overwriting the Last Gasp.
The reason that doesn't matter with Marsh Flitter has more to do with timing than layers.
If you play Last Gasp and in response he plays the ability, it'll first turn into a 3/3 and then get -3/-3 so it will die. If you let Last Gasp resolve, it'll be a -2/-2 and, before you can respond, be put in the graveyard. |
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