Chain of Plasma + Swans of Bryn Argol

kfcman · Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 583

Just clarifying, but the chain deals 3 to the swan, you draw 3 and then discard 1 for the chain and restart the chain?

ransom3 · Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 90

I think you have to discard a card to copy the spell before you draw the three cards.

MaksymG · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 150

I am not sure, but if it is a replacement effect you would draw cards first. As is I think you will need to discard first, still nets you lots of cards

ransom3 · Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 90

I agree, based on the way the text for the Swans is worded, I don't think it is a replacement effect.

cloysterd · Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 47

As I read it (could be wrong):

1. You play Chain targetting Swans
2. Chain resolves, deals 3 damage (which is prevented), gives you the chance to discard
3. You discard, copy of Chain stacks
4. Swans' trigger stacks (first check for triggers since damage was dealt)
5. Swans' trigger resolves, you draw 3.
6. Copied Chain resolves, etc.

ransom3 · Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 90

I think that your Step 4 happens before Step 3, the Swans trigger occurs when the damage is dealt.

MaksymG · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 150

ransom I believe cloysterd is correct. step 3 is not a trigger. It is a choice made during resolution. By chosing to discard a copy goes on the stack. Now that there is no spell resolving, swan trigger goes on the stack. In essence, choosing to discard is part of the resolution of chain of plasma. Afterwards a new copy of chain of plasma is placed on the stack and effects will be able to be resolved.

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 449

Maksym and cloystered are correct...I was gonna answer this, but they already did, so whatever.

kfcman · Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 583

So then, you just need chain and 1 extra card in hand to draw out your whole deck. So in extended you could incorporate swan / chain into loam assault decks and draw out land and shooot with seismic . but, i dont think it would be that good. Must be some way, some deck that chain/swan will be good. im determined. lol.

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 234

You in fact don't even need a card in your hand. Swans of Bryn Agroll has one big replacement effect. Also note that there is no choice involved, you have to draw.

If you target the Swans with Chain of Plasma, the Chain basically reads:

You draw three cards. Then that player or that creature's controller may discard a card. If the player does, he or she may copy this spell and may choose a new target for that copy.