Champion Question

Delicious · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 388

If a player plays a creature with champion, and i destroy/bounce the only target they have, does the creature's CIP effect still happen or no?

ACM · Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 16

Any CIP effect would trigger, but any effect triggering off championing will, of course, not trigger

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 234

If they don't have something to champion, they'll have to sacrifice the creature with champion.

Champion doesn't target and therefor always triggers and resolves.

Conkisstador · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 222

creatures with champion come into play

they trigger with a A or B clause

there's no targetting involved. the trigger goes on the stack and both players need to pass priority in order active-nonactive and then the champion trigger resolves. as it resolves, the triggers controller chooses A or B; rfg a guy or sacrifice this.

Delicious · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 388

so if it has a CIP effect they get it and have to sacrifice their creature?[/img]

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 431

what are you trying to ask? you dont have to champion a creature

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 234

If you meant to say:

I play a creature with Champion. After it comes into play and triggers its ability they kill all creatures I could champion, what happens to the creature with champion?

The answer would be:

You'll have to sacrifice the creature with Champion since you can't champion something to it.

ACM · Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 16

All he asked was if its CIP effect triggered, which it does, as it comes into play before having to sacrifice it due to lack of creatures to champion

Testament · Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 34

if its just a normal come into play effect, then yes it will resolve. however if its a champion ability, no he wont get it (ie mistbind clique)

Ashmatan · Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 29

Yeah, anything with "champion a 'creature type' " says "if a 'creature type' is championed with 'card name', you get 'effect'" No critter to champion, no effect. BTW, what critter has a CIP ability that happens after the champion check? I think NONE.

Delicious · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 388

mistbind clique

Vedrfolner · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 871

Yes and I think that Mistbind Clique is the only creature with a cip ability AND champion.

twodioz · Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 50

The only problem is that mistbind clique's CIP still happens if you don't champion a creature. If u can champion a faerie, you get the 4/4 flyer to stay in play, but if you don't, the CIP still triggers and resolves because the clique came intp play.

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 234

I'm sorry, what CiP ability are you guys talking about?

Mistbind Clique's only CiP ability is the Champion ability. The other triggered ability is a 'when you champion'-ability.

It will not trigger if you don't champion something and it will not trigger if you champion something but the Clique is no longer in play.

dt · Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 41

Mistbind Clique's ability (as has been correctly pointed out) is not a CIP ability.

But if Wizards printed a new card which card said: