TPDS (the perfect dragonstorm)

poolhustla · Joined: 25 Dec 2005 Posts: 52

played this in indy (4-1 drop, got called into work), and columbus (5-3, play mistakes). it has amazing aggro-matchups:

zoo 2-0
affinity- 4-0
burn deck wins- 2-0

control match-ups
uw tron 2-1 (the match i lost went to game three and i lost it due to play error, i beat owen turtenwald in indy)

countertop
0-1 (match went to game 3 when he got top lock on board)

ideal
1-0

aggroloam
0-1
Decklist:
3x Dragonstorm
4x Bogardan Hellkite
1x Rorix Bladewing
4x Burning Wish
1x Infernal Tutor
3x Peer through Depths
2x Chromatic Sphere
4x Chromatic Star
4x Cabal Ritual
4x Rite of Flame
4x Seething Song
3x Desperate Ritual
2x Channel the Suns
4x Lotus Bloom
2x Pentad Prism
4x Sulfur Vent
4x Tinderfarm
2x Geothermal Crevice
2x Ancient Spring

Board:
1x Dragonstorm
1x Sins of the Past
1x Tendrils of Agony
1x Mind's Desire
1x Boiling Seas
1x Pyroclasm
3x Shattering Spree
4x Thoughtseize
1x Channel the Suns
1x Morning Tide

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 649

why is this better than teps?

NonEsDignus · Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 6

It's just TEPS with a worse win condition. Sure, you'll still win games, but notice that your win condition uses up 8 slots of your deck, as opposed to like 3-4.

Orlandu · Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 152

Well, for starters it's much less resistant to stifle, as even if they do stifle the storm, you're still going to get a Hellkite or what have you. Also, it takes alot of the luck out of the kill. I've seen people totally whiff on a desire for even 6, 7 or 8. Not saying that happens often, but it's still there, and resolving dragonstorm says I win.

Of course this also makes the deck weaker against discard. In fact, this deck is much more like an instant win ideal than a TEPS deck.

poolhustla · Joined: 25 Dec 2005 Posts: 52

add 3 city of brass, missed them in the DL

a. this is not a worse win condition. if you think so youre a complete donk. unlike teps, i can win still with a counter-backed gaddock teeg, ive done it 4 times in ptq's w/o pyroclasm. i can hardcast dragons. ive heard that wins.
b. I have outs where teps does not. the suprise factor alone nets wins. yes discard hurts quite a bit, thats why this list is posted, to help figure out how to improve it, plus its a fun deck to play.

c. i used the teps manabase because it is alot more consistant, this deck was designed on a 6 hour car ride from detroit. i did it because i wanted to play something off the wall the rest of the season. for a random pile, it seems to win matches pretty well.

d. you have a 1st turn kill possiblity that is soooo much more consistent than teps, if teps even has one. turn 2 requireds

e. let me go ahead and list off the names of players who liked this deck. owen turtenwald, tom lapille, Reuben Bresler (liked it so much he mentioned it in his ptq blog on brainburst).

Orlandu · Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 152

Yeah should learn to read over what I say before I post it. It's much MORE resistant to stifle, not less Wink

I like it alot, my team has Dstorm down as pretty much the premier combo deck next ext season. Obviously we won't have wishes or invasion sac-lands and etc, but I still think it's going to be explosive enough to be a contender.

I can't honestly see how someone could look at the deck and say that TEPS is better..

Mke410 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 40

Well just a suggestion, but I dont think you need the Desperate rituals. I think you should put in a like 2 Divining tops and add a third channel. Or even instead of the tops put in 2 Telling times to add to the storm if thats what you really need them for. As it sets you up nicely. Also for the SB I think you should really take out a shattering spree for a deathmark. I run 2 in my SB for my teps deck. Its so good against teeg so you dont have to wait around to draw your dragons, especially if your holding D-storm in your hand. Well that just my 2 cents.

center425 · Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 327

Yeah, too bad the format's dead

poolhustla · Joined: 25 Dec 2005 Posts: 52

i tried tops out, i liked them, but i kept running into issues with getting stuck at either 8 or 10 mana, i needed the boost so i could either hardcast dstorm or burning wish for it. but, i do need them to protect spells, maybe cut the prism for them, but then the filtration becomes a problem, so i can see the point of the extra channel

dv8r · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 121

Just because someone who perceives themselves as being good thinks that your deck is good, it doesn't make the deck good. That logic is faulty on so many levels.

I guess I'll attempt to explain what the issues are with the deck that makes it worse than teps, but you'll probably respond in the same way you did to the earlier posts:

1) Slower: This is simply fact. Teps can and does often win off 6 mana, and many builds have cut bloom because its too slow. You need 9 mana to win.

2) Weak to discard. Because of the above reason, you need more accelerators to combo off. Although, against a critical mass of discard (say 2 thoughtseize and a therapy) you are actually BETTER against discard because as you say one hellkite isn't so bad.

3) Weaker to rfg effects such as extirpate and earwig squad. I don't think I need to reason on earwig squad. Note that if someone allows your first dragonstorm to resolve and then goes putrefy -> extirpate, you are not looking so great. TEPS generally just laughs at extirpate.

Advantages:
1) Better vs teeg. True. But if your spirit stompy opponent has teeg you are STILL going to struggle to win, and because your deck has a critical mass of damage it can deal off the combo (24), an early centaur backed up by armadillo cloak, or even, heaven forbid, a jitte, could spell trouble. Admittedly, doran can't just randomly hose you with sb teeg, but they have discard (see next point).

2) Better vs Stifle and Mass Discard. Also true. But then you've sacced all your resources for a single dragon. Yes, it can still win you the game, but you're going to look awfully foolish if your opponent bounces it to your hand with cryptic command or a removal spell of some sort.

3) Better vs Aggro in general because you can cast hellkites as wraths. True. TEPS is also good vs aggro though, and for the reasons outlined above is better vs control. I don't see the benefit of running a deck that makes your good matchups better and your bad ones worse.

poolhustla · Joined: 25 Dec 2005 Posts: 52

the deck isnt slower, it wins on the same turns. yes, 9 mana is rough to get to, i wont argue that fact. There are advantages and disadvantages to every deck. I posted this because it was fun as hell, it did well, i could have top eighted and possibly won if i wouldnt have made certain mistakes, this is my fault. now saying the deck is bad based on looking at a decklist is faulty logic in itself. i took the time to playtest and fix it. now teps does win off 6 mana, i am well aware of this. the issue i have with the deck is the desire kill is based off of percentages to hit key cards, where as dstorm wins when it is cast. am i saying that this deck is the best deck in the format? not in anyway shape or form. i posted it because ive had some fun with it, and maybe someone else can as well. your putrefy/extirpate comment does have bearing, but that is 1 card combination that they have to have 4 mana available for (i actually thought that scenario out). that would suck, but keep in mind the alternate kill in the deck is desire/tendrils, which i find better than empty the warrens for teps. now it consitantly wins turn 4 which is the same for teps, turn three has a very high percentage, my turn 2 percentage (required sacland, city of brass) is also good, and turn 1 can actually happen, unlike teps. im just saying play it and have fun

dv8r · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 121