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Manveru · Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 15

Hello. I have a question. Let me use an example:

Player A attacks with Llanowar Elf and a 1/1 Elf token.
Player B blocks Llanowar Elf with Mogg Fanatic.
Player B then sacrifices Mogg Fanatic, which deals 1 damage to the Elf token.
So, in this case, damage from sacrificing Mogg Fanatic comes first, right? If that's the case, will Llanowar Elf still be blocked, since Mogg Fanatic got sacrificed and it's, well, dead?

Vedrfolner · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1118

the blocked creature will still be blocked, but fanatic won't be around to deal damage.

twodioz · Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 61

If player B wanted to kill both creatures he would have to stack damage, take one point of damage from the unblocked elf, sacrifice the fanatic to kill the unblocked elf. Dealing one damage to each of the creatures, and taking one point of damage.

Lynolf · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 213

And in a case like this the most likely will be:

Your opponent waits until combat damage step; assigns 1 damage from Mogg Fanatic to Llanowar Elves, then uses its ability to deal 1 damage to the Elf token. Both elves die and your opponent takes 1 damage from the Elf token.

Edited: twodioz was faster to explain Razz

LoneWulf · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 142

If B wants to kill both of A's creatures then best thing would be to wait for damage on the stack. Then sac Fanatic to ping A. That way all the creatures die, B doesn't take damage, and A gets hit for 1.

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 712

chriscone · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 18

combat damage. Then the defending player announces how each blocking creature will
assign its combat damage. All assignments of combat damage go on the stack as a single object.
Then any abilities that triggered on damage being assigned go on the stack. (See rule 410,
“Handling Triggered Abilities.”) Then the active player gets priority and players may play spells
and abilities

looking at this rule it appears that if you sac the mog after assigning combat damage you could kill both attacking creatures but take one point of damage from the unblocked creature.

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 712

thank you for pointing out once again what has been said

Ggerg · Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 334

damn, people suck ranging cornholes sometimes.

except for gypsy.....and obama.

Manveru · Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 15

Thanks!

LoneWulf · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 142

Tritemio · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

LoneWulf · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 142

Tritemio · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

Wait! Wait! Wait!

This thing that make me crazy....

2 1/1 Creature attack only 1 Mogg Fanatic block, damage on the stak, i sac Mogg Fanatic targetting unblocked creature, so you say that Mogg don't give damage to the blocked creature neither the unblocked creature give damage to defense player????

LoneWulf · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 142

T...I'm not sure what you were saying there.

If A attacks with 2 1/1s and B blocks 1 of them with the Fanatic then stacks damage and sacs Fanatic to shoot the other 1/1; then yes both attackers would die and B would still take damage.
BUT....If B uses both his creatures (Llanowar Elf and Mogg Fanatic) to block both attackers, then stacks damage, and then sacs Fanatic to shoot A he could avoid taking damage at all. That's all I've been trying to say. I never said anything about the other answers being wrong. Just giving a different set of blocking options/plays.