Leaf-Crowned Elder Question

artificer · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 57

If I have 3 Leaf-Crowned Elder on play during my upkeep I will be able to play 3 creatures? After the ability is done I still get to draw a card on my draw step?

Delicious · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 425

Well you stack the abilities and check, if the first one is a creature then put it into play and check the second card and keep going. But as soon as you find a non creature that doesn't match, all the upkeep triggers are going to check that one card.

cloysterd · Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 47

If the top 3 cards are creature cards that share a type with Elder, then yes. And yes, you still draw a card in your draw step.

Conkisstador · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 247

i believe elder looks for creature TYPE... if u see lignify and/or nameless inversion... you can play those, too.

all 3 trigger... they resolve 1 at a time. then you move to your draw step and do what you do there. think it through slowly and most cards will become clear for you Smile

TekNique · Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 143

when i play a creature like this using kinship can my opponent counter it? using something like rune snag or flashing some faerie that counters it?

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 265

Yes, it can still be countered. You are playing it after all.

TekNique · Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 143

If that is the case and i am "playing it" and it is a treefolk spell and i have door of destinies out with the creature type being treefolk.... does it get a counter when i play this creature or spell "without paying its mana cost"

LoneWulf · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 142

LocutusZero · Joined: 31 May 2008 Posts: 3

Here is a scenario that came up:
I have two Leaf-Crowned Elders, and my turn begins.
I do my first kinship and draw a Treefolk Harbinger.
I use it to put a Rootgrapple on top of my deck.
I do my second kinship to draw that Rootgrapple and play it on something my opponent controls that has been annoying me.
I draw a card for the Rootgrapple.
I draw my draw phase card.

This is how I understand it should be played, but my opponent said he wondered if it went like this:
kinship 1 yields treefolk 1
kinship 2 yields treefolk 2
play treefolk 1 for free
play treefolk 2 for free
draw draw phase card

I played it like this:
kinship 1 yields treefolk 1
play treefolk 1
kinship 2 yields treefolk 2
play treefolk 2
draw draw phase card

So who was right?

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 265

You were right, although your terminology is off.

You don't 'draw' anything with the Kinship trigger from Leaf-Crowned Elder. You do what it says you must do, you look at the top card, if it's a Treefolk you may reveal it and play it for free, then and there. It's never in your hand, it's never drawn. It goes straight from your library on to the stack. Since it's now on top of the stack, it must resolve first, before any other Kinship triggers resolve.

KarzaDoom · Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 2

Hey guys

An interesting question came up during play the other day. I understand the Kinship ability on this card to allow you to play a creature card without mana cost. However, are you ALLOWED to play creature card during your upkeep stage? I thought it was only during your main phase that you could play a creature card, unless that creature had flash or you had another ability to allow you to play creatures as an instance.

Now I'm not arguing the rules on the card itself, but nowhere in the ruling does it say that you break this rule. Just that you may play it if it shares a creaturetype as Crown Leaf Elder. I've been playing it as such, but one of our play group brought up the question and I thought I'd field it for his satisfaction.

Thanks

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 265

The rules are not prohibitive, but permissive. They only give you times you can normally play something, but they don't prohibit the playing at other times.

Kinship gives you an extra time you can play something (when the trigger resolves) and the rules couldn't care less.

KarzaDoom · Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 2

As I thought!

Thanks mate!