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gypsy
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| why does coolcreep post that in every thread its giving already bad people worse rulings on cards |
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Husapi
Joined: 31 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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read the card
read it
omg  |
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Thorns
Joined: 16 Aug 2006
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Location: Rath
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Husapi wrote: | read the card
read it
omg |
Read the thread.
Read it.
Oh my god |
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cloysterd
Joined: 24 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Thorns wrote: | | On the same general idea: What`s the difference between Obliterate's "can't be countered" and Urza's Rage's "can't be countered by spells or abilities"? What really confuses me is that they were both printed in the same set, so it's obviously not a templating issue. |
Urza's Rage is targeted, Obliterate isn't. Targeted spells are countered when their target goes away or becomes illegal, so they have to put in the "spells or abilities" so that it can still be countered in that way. |
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Novajoe
Joined: 18 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| coolcreep wrote: | | and a good way to pay for that venser is to tap a vesuvan shapeshifter copying gemhide sliver and the actual gemhide sliver for 4 manas. |
dude... you are a magic god... |
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gushatog
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Thorns wrote: | | On the same general idea: What`s the difference between Obliterate's "can't be countered" and Urza's Rage's "can't be countered by spells or abilities"? What really confuses me is that they were both printed in the same set, so it's obviously not a templating issue. |
When a spell has no legal targets remaining, it is countered by game rules which are not a spell or ability, urza's rage however says spells or abilities, so it can still be countered from having no legal targets. This is a bad example though becuase obliterate doesn't target. |
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gypsy
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| gushatog wrote: | | Thorns wrote: | | On the same general idea: What`s the difference between Obliterate's "can't be countered" and Urza's Rage's "can't be countered by spells or abilities"? What really confuses me is that they were both printed in the same set, so it's obviously not a templating issue. |
When a spell has no legal targets remaining, it is countered by game rules which are not a spell or ability, urza's rage however says spells or abilities, so it can still be countered from having no legal targets. This is a bad example though becuase obliterate doesn't target. |
no thats actually the reason they put the by spells or abilities. obliterate cant be countered at all but rage can be countered by game rules |
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ransom3
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you for repeating exactly what he said and trying to disagree with him. |
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gypsy
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| he said it was a bad example and i was telling him that hes exactly right moron |
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