Red Akroma: countered?

Delicious · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 464

me and a friend are having a discussion. he says red akroma can't be countered because of it's proc, but i say it can because it doesn't get those protections till it's in play. who is right?

Art · Joined: 07 May 2007 Posts: 22

Erhm, akroma says "Akroma can't be countered by spells or abilities"

Read is overrated

But still, you can Venser the Akroma.

ransom3 · Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 156

It says blatantly on the card "Akroma, Angel of Fury can't be countered." It has nothing to do with its protection from blue/white.

DaveK · Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 40

I'm starting to think that this guy is deliberately trying to ask stupid questions.

Art · Joined: 07 May 2007 Posts: 22

He deserves to know about this game, even if he's stupid or not

Delicious · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 464

not on purpose, i just forgot to read the card before i asked.

after i asked i looked in my binder and went ...."i'm a dumbass"

thanks everyone

so you can venser it

Vedrfolner · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1292

yes because Venser doesn't say "counter".

aceben3 · Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 45

returning a spell to its owner's hand is not the same as countering it, so it can be vensered while it's on the stack. however, since remand counters a spell first then returns it if it's countered, red akroma can't be remanded.

venser>all

Martas · Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 25

But you should still be able to target Akroma with Remand and draw card, right?

Eldariel · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 195

Sure, it's not an illegal target, the counter-effect just does nothing.

ant900 · Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2480 Location: somewhere

in other words, protection only works while in play

Novajoe · Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 140

so basically the most you can do is delay it another turn.

Thorns · Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Posts: 849 Location: Rath

On the same general idea: What`s the difference between Obliterate's "can't be countered" and Urza's Rage's "can't be countered by spells or abilities"? What really confuses me is that they were both printed in the same set, so it's obviously not a templating issue.

coolcreep · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 323

and a good way to pay for that venser is to tap a vesuvan shapeshifter copying gemhide sliver and the actual gemhide sliver for 4 manas.

ransom3 · Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 156

^^^ Sarcasm, I hope?