Hard question here

LordHawk · Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Posts: 17

Ok im playing a game with a friend of mine, and i tried to explain what happens. Here is the question

Trotsky1 · Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 764

que hardtrack

Avata · Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 372

This is why I don't do random set sealed.

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 288

Oh goodie! A question about Licids! First some autocarding: Dominating Licid, Vesuvan Shapeshifter.

I've been thinking about it for over half an hour now and I can't figure it out, I'm going higher up. I'll post the answer when I get it.

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 288

Well, I found the reason I couldn't find a mistake. There wasn't any. That is all correct. Extremely weird, but correct.

LoneWulf · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 148

I have a question.

In LordHawk's first paragraph he states that "At the beginning of my upkeep, I choose to turn it (referring to VS copying DL) face-down."

How can he do this when the VS ability says, in part, "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may turn this creature face down" but the VS is no longer a creature?

From Gatherer (Dominating Licid):
10/4/2004 It becomes an Enchantment - Aura and stops being all other permanent types.

But let's say he could turn it face-down. Then we have the Gatherer answer for VS:
9/25/2006 When Vesuvan Shapeshifter is turned face down, its copy effect wears off. While it's face down, it's a face-down Vesuvan Shapeshifter that can be turned face up for a morph cost of 1U.

Which would mean that it would no longer be an Enchantment-Aura and just be a 2/2 type-less, colorless creature.

My take would be that VS would be an Enchantment-Aura with the ability of "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may turn this creature face down" but would not be able to use this ability as it is no longer a creature.

Hardtrack....if I'm wrong could you point out where?

thanks

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 288

It just says 'creature' because that's what it will be most often. It won't stop working just because it's not a creature. It really means 'turn this object face down'.

Yes, the copy effect will end. But why would that mean the continuous effect set up by the activated ability stops working? It doesn't care if it's still a copy of the Licid, just like it doesn't care if it still has the activated ability that created it. Until you pay one blue mana that effect keeps working, no matter what happens around it.

coolcreep · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 291

I'm not sure about this question, but I do know that if you were to copy a gemhide sliver with vesuvan shapeshifter, you could tap them for 2 manas each making a total of 4 manas.

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 288