Targets, Counterspells and Convoke

Lynolf · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 239

3 Questions:

1- My opponent plays counterspell on my Llanowar Elves when I play it. Can I use Divert in his Counterspell, targeting the Counterspell itself? If yes, is the Counterspell countered? (Assuming he doesn't have 2 mana left to pay)

2- If I Remand a Flashbacked spell, where does it go to?

3- If my opponent plays Mana Leak on my Siege Wurm when I play it, can I tap creatures to pay its additional cost?

aldaryn · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 444

Might have to get a second opinion on this, but I don't think counterspells can target themselves, even in a situation like this. The normal reason is that you need the target for the spell to have even gone on the stack in the first place, so the target would have to be on the stack. Here, though, the counterspell is on the stack, so maybe this works. I'm also curious if you can change the counterspell's target to Divert itself? (another way of getting the job done).

One thing I know for sure, though, is that if you Remand a flashback spell, it's rfg'ed because the rfg is part of the flashback cost. Makes Remand even better than normal in those situations.

Mke410 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 41

Well question 1, not entirely sure of the interaction of changing the target of counterspell to itself. But the easier way to do it is use divert to change the target of counterspell to divert then the counterspell is countered upon resolution due to lack of target as the divert has already resolved.

Question 2 is simple. Its RFG, as paying flashback removing it is part of the ability of flashback.

question 3. You have to pay three. Its not part of the casting cost thus convoke doesnt work. Its a cost you must pay while its on the stack.

Glull · Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 25

1. no, because a spell cannot target itself. you can however divert the counterspell to target the divert itself (since it is still on the stack when the effect is applied)

2. the card will be removed from the game.

3. no.

dickburns88 · Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Posts: 37

part of flashbacks cost is rfg

CMA-Flippi · Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject:

What you can do is to redirect his Counterspell onto your Divert, as it will be still a legal target to redirect at the time it's redirecting

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 288

You've gotten all the right answers, but I'll sum it all up and add some extra info: