Aggro Loam update?

aldaryn · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 439

I've opened 3 Countryside Crushers in packs, so I feel obligated.. At first I tried just putting him in the "Justus Goyfs" Flow/Dreams deck, over Burning-Tree Shaman, and it was terrible. I think maybe a R/G deck would be the way to go, but with him, goyf, and terravore, i feel like the deck should be a bit more aggressive, only I'm not sure how. It also kind of seems like Burning Wish is pretty slow for this deck, and not as versatile when you aren't grabbing discard.. so I was thinking something like this

4 Devastating Dreams
4 Life from the Loam
4 ?? Burn spell? Chrome Mox? Molten Rain? More creatures?
3 Seismic Assault

4 Tarmogoyf
4 Terravore
4 Countryside Crusher
4?
4? One-drops? Two-drops?

1 Ghost Quarter
4 Tranquil Thicket
4 Forgotten Cave
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Windswept Heath
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Stomping Ground
3 Forest
3 Mountain

In the creature slots, instead of bird of paradise, I was thinking of going an aggressive route, with Kird Ape, maybe Mogg Fanatic... maybe another two drop...Werebear? Wild Mongrel? Are those guys any good anymore? Also, the deck has no real dredge hate, so that's points for Fanatic I guess. The deck may still need a black splash for the sake of graveyard hate if nothing else.

What do you guys think?

aldaryn

Shooter · Joined: 11 Mar 2005 Posts: 63

b.wish is loam/dreams 4-7, FOR SURE it's not bad
also,crusher is only good when u have loam going, and when u have loam going u are going to win anyway, so it's overkill.

Conkisstador · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 255

stick to your doran deck lol.

the deck wants birds (if u are a good bluffer u can knock their socks off with 3rd color) and wall of roots. wall is amazingly annoying for the burn decks and overall that MU becomes quite easy. the devastating dreams kills tons of decks. the loam engine kills blue.

it's a strong deck imo, and ive been playing it in 1.x along with my 2 UW creations.

more technology to consider is garruk.... the death cloud deck popular on here wins by stickin a planeswalker on the board and then board sweeping. the strategy might work in this deck too tho i cant find room for garruk anywhere.
chrome mox is fairly important.
and u should try and get the 4th seismic ssualt. aggro matchup needs a turn 2/3 assault to really purr.

why ar eu drifting from doran so fast?!

aldaryn · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 439

i probably won't play this deck, i'm just bored Smile

plus i think it would be a good deck to add to the testing gauntlet, i'm not the only one with it on my mind. Also, I can't play in the PTQs in February because of family obligations, so who knows if Doran will be good in a month and a half anyways

so you've suggested something more like this

4 Burning Wish
3 Life from the Loam
3 Devastating Dreams
4 Seismic Assault
1?

4 Tarmogoyf
4 Terravore
4 Countryside Crusher
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Wall of Roots

1 Ghost Quarter
4 Tranquil Thicket
4 Forgotten Cave
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Windswept Heath
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Stomping Ground
3 Forest
3 Mountain

The countryside crusher I'd say isn't only good when loam is going, it's fine when you cycle lands, use fetchlands, and it finds you gas to set up your loam anyway, much like dark confidant did in the RGB version, but I don't think the deck really needs black. I could be wrong about all of this of course (I've certainly been wrong before). I don't know how to get Chrome Mox in there though, other than cutting a land or two.

Any tech for the wishboard other than the normal suspects? (Hull Breach, Shatterstorm, Shattering Spree, Pyroclasm, Devastating Dreams, Life from the Loam, Nostalgic Dreams)... the only thing I thought of was Overmaster to force through a Devastating Dreams...but that's not -that- great.

da_penguin · Guest

// Lands
2 [GP] Stomping Ground
4 [ON] Wooded Foothills
4 [ON] Tranquil Thicket
4 [ON] Forgotten Cave
3 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
1 [DIS] Blood Crypt
1 [RAV] Overgrown Tomb
2 [UG] Forest
2 [UG] Mountain
1 [UG] Swamp
1 [DIS] Ghost Quarter

// Creatures
4 [OD] Terravore
4 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
4 [MOR] Countryside Crusher
4 [RAV] Birds of Paradise

// Spells
3 [RAV] Life from the Loam
2 [7E] Seismic Assault
4 [JU] Burning Wish
2 [TO] Devastating Dreams
3 [7E] Duress
3 [JU] Cabal Therapy
2 [FD] Engineered Explosives

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [RAV] Life from the Loam
SB: 1 [TO] Devastating Dreams
SB: 1 [JU] Cabal Therapy
SB: 1 [PS] Hull Breach
SB: 2 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 3 [TSB] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 3 [ON] Ravenous Baloth
SB: 2 [ON] Smother
SB: 1 [CS] Deathmark

fahKing · Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 31

pernicious deed is good.

so is e. witness.

and if you're going to run burning wish why not have 1 cranial extraction sb so you don't autolose to dredg. I hear it's also good vs Ideal.`

and maybe try out 2 x scapeshift?

da_penguin · Guest

how would scapeshift be good. and burning wish for cranial isnt exactly the fastest way to beat dredge.

fahKing · Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 31

scape shift makes a really big terravore and crusher, and it fits the curve with those creatures perfectly.

oh and it's pretty good with loam.

as of cranial extraction -
turn 2 wish
turn 3/4 depending on birds - extract bridge/ichorid/etc

as of now the deck seems to lose automatically game 1 vs dredge and ideal considering it's not running deed.

fahKing · Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 31

i just threw this together really quickly as an update to the first place baltimore ptq hollywood decklist.

creature [17]
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Eternal Witness
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Countryside Crusher/Terravore
3 Wall of Roots

sorcery [11]
4 Burning Wish
3 Life from the Loam
1 Scapeshift
3 Molten Rain

enchantment [7]
4 Blood Moon
3 Seismic Assault

land [25]
3 Bloodstained Mire
4 Forest
4 Forgotten Cave
2 Mountain
2 Stomping Ground
4 Tranquil Thicket
4 Wooded Foothills
1 swamp
1 B/R dual

60 cards
Sideboard:

1 Cranial Extraciton
1 Scapeshift
1 Devastating Dreams
1 Hull Breach
1 Life from the Loam
1 Nostalgic Dreams
1 Pyroclasm
3 Shatterstorm
1 Pithing Needle
3 tormods crypt
1 scapeshift

TugaChampion · Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 348

aldaryn, actually I play Just Us Goyfs and replaced BTS with Crushers and they are very good. Not quite as good as Terravore in most situations but still pretty good.

aldaryn · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 439

Maybe I should give that deck another chance...do you play Dark Confidant over Engineered Explosives?

TugaChampion · Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 348

yes.

Still I heard André Coimbra as made a lot of changes to the deck but the guy said he couldn't tell them. I'll ask André Coimbra but even if he tells me I won't be able to share it because he doesn't want his deck to get leaked before the GP like in block when he was testing GW Goyf.