split second/dovescape

Delicious · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 469

what happens with dovescape and anything with split second?

lennin · Guest

u get doves

thranarama · Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 176

I'm pretty sure he wanted a little better explanation than that. Anyway, the reason that you get doves is that split second stops spells and activated abilities from being used, but not triggered abilities. Dovescape triggers whenever a non-creature spell is played.

Delicious · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 469

thanks

FiReBLT · Joined: 31 Dec 2004 Posts: 168

If you're looking for a way to resolve spells when a dovescape is in play, use boseiju. You get doves, and your spells resolve.

Benobi · Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 8

Yeah, any spell that says 'can't be countered' will work, but the attempt to counter still happens and you get birds. Great fun with Demonfire and a Soul Warden Very Happy

chriscone · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 18

maybe i'm confused..but my thought was that when you cast a split second..nothing culd go on the stack? thus it's not coutered or no doves would be put into play?

YTheAlien · Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 59

chriscone · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 18

No, that isn't what it says on the card. For reference, Molten Disaster's reminder text: "As long as this spell is on the stack, players can't play spells or activated abilities that aren't mana abilities." The ability of Dovescape isn't a spell or an activated ability, so it can go onto the stack above a spell with Split Second and resolve before the spell with Split Second.

ok, check this
“Split
second” means “As long as this spell is on the stack, players can’t play other spells or abilities that aren’t
mana abilities.” See rule 502.58, “Split Second.”

i know this is a new question...i'm not sure how this relates to triggered abilities..as the rule says players can't "play" other abilities that aren't mana abilities ?

chriscone · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 18

Posted: 06 Jan 2008 02:40 Post subject:

No, that isn't what it says on the card. For reference, Molten Disaster's reminder text: "As long as this spell is on the stack, players can't play spells or activated abilities that aren't mana abilities." The ability of Dovescape isn't a spell or an activated ability, so it can go onto the stack above a spell with Split Second and resolve before the spell with Split Second.

ok, check this
“Split
second” means “As long as this spell is on the stack, players can’t play other spells or abilities that aren’t
mana abilities.” See rule 502.58, “Split Second.”

i know this is a new question...i'm not sure how this relates to triggered abilities..as the rule says players can't "play" other abilities that aren't mana abilities ?

at least in this case it seems as if molten disaster split second rule is different from the offical rule definition of split second are other split second cards off in their definition and am i right under the offical rules that no doves would be put in play?

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 310

The reminder text of a card is irrelevant. It has no rules bearing whatsoever. The official rules for Split Second are as follows:

502.58. Split Second

502.58a Split second is a static ability that functions only while the spell with split second is on the stack. “Split second” means “As long as this spell is on the stack, players can’t play other spells or abilities that aren’t mana abilities.”

502.58b Multiple instances of split second on the same spell are redundant.

Dovescape however has a triggered ability. Triggered abilities are not played and are therefor not stopped by Split Second. Likewise, putting tokens into play is not playing something, so that is not stopped either. In short, Split Second does nothing against Dovescape, not the countering and not putting tokens into play.