What would you do?

Trotsky1 · Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 630

Ok your play testing a block constructed UB mirror match with a friend before board, you are both playing the same deck list here it is.

4 Thoughtseize
4 Broken Ambitions
4 Nameless inversion
4 Farie Trickery
4 Cryptic Command
3 Makeshift Mannequin
2 Wyden the Biting Gale
4 Mulldrifter
2 Lilianna Vess
3 Profane Command
11 Islands
7 Swamps
4 Secluded Glen
4 Vivid Creek

Please I don’t want to hear what you think of the deck, its not the most up to date list I know I don’t play much constructed.

Here is the situation it’s the end of your turn 4 you were on the draw, your opponent flashes out Wyden the Biting Gale, you have in play a Secluded Glen, a Vivid Creek and two islands all untapped your hand is, Island, Island, Broken Ambitions, Cryptic Command, Faerie Trickery, Makeshift Mannequin, Profane Command. What do you do if anything? I will give you an update in 24 hours of what i did and we can discuss the possible plays.

Daveslusher · Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Posts: 202

whats in the grave?

lennin · Guest

why are u playing lorwyn block constructed

Spyx · Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 821

Faerie Trickery. There is a chance he's going to resolve mulldrifter on his turn, but I think getting rid of wydwen is more important.

Noremac · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 97

Because Faerie Trickery can counter Wydwen...... Oh wait. Not.

-DK- · Joined: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 28

well. i would not be playing lorwyn block constructed untill morningtide is released heh.

lennin · Guest

theres no point in playing block anyway

Spyx · Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 821

Ok forgot about that. Broken Ambitions then.

Trotsky1 · Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 630

Sorry for lack of detail was in a hurry there is already lorwyn block constructed tourni's on modo where i play so thats why i play lorwyn block. Assume nothing has happened but you have both played lands evey go and passed turn.

ant900 · Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2473 Location: somewhere

I say cryptic command, bouncing one of his lands.

MilanG[GER] · Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 58

that's easy 2 answer:

you both are equally stupid for playing lrw constructed with 1/4 of the actual pool

SaTiVa · Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 189

Jacois · Joined: 05 Sep 2004 Posts: 428

It's more like 2/3's since block constructed is only 2 sets, Lorwyn and Morningtide and Lorwyn is the big set. Wink

Jacois · Joined: 05 Sep 2004 Posts: 428

Oh yeah, and I would Command it and draw.

Trotsky1 · Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 630

On the most part thanks for all the replies. I would do as ant900 suggested and cryptic command the Wyden and bounce the land. I’m not suggesting that is the right play but it is certainly the safest. Here’s Why.

The fact that your opponent is risking his Wyden this early clearly indicates that he wants you to tap mana. There are three things he could do with 5 mana assuming he has a 5th source on his go. He could evoke a mulldrifter and leave mana open for the counter, suggesting a broken ambitions of his own or perhaps a makeshift mannequin both or bluff. He could play a mulldrifter full retail. Lastly the one you really don’t want to happen he could play Liliana Vess. Which pretty much if not answered by a Vess of your own on your go, wins the game there and then.

Bouncing the land stops all these plays but evoking the mulldifter and it makes that worse as it no longer leaves enough mana to counter. A safe play.

The other option is the bluff as Spyx suggested broken ambitions for 1. Leaving enough mana open to represent the second broken ambitions. This play would stop most players from playing full retail for mulldrifter if they had it which is something you defiantly don’t want as you have no drifter of your own or vess. It doesn’t stop the evoke play. It may or may not stop the Vess Play, personally if I was in this situation with the Vess In hand, I would go for it, figuring there is a good chance I win the game there and then, compared to a small chance he has a 2nd broken ambitions or worse ambitions plus Vess of his own. The only time I would not make this play is if I knew the ability gap between me and my opponent was so great any long game was bound to be won by me and his only way of winning was getting lucky and having ambitions 2 plus Vess.

This play is certainly more risky but if you do succeeded in deterring your opponent from playing a vess or mulldrifter full retail. It allows you to hopefully get better use out of your cryptic command and hopefully get an extra card. Knowing your opponent defiantly helps here to determine the right play.

Cryptic Command Wyden and Draw a card, is a very risky play indeed. If I had a Vess of my own I would make this play but without it chances are with that early a wyden is that your opponent does have the vess and barring either of the top two cards of your library being a vess you lose the game. I can see this play perhaps stopping a mulldrifter being played certainly full retail, as an opponent could see it as representing a vess of your own. So even this play has some merits.

I think we all agree that letting the Wyden resolve is not a good idea.

So how many of you guys would play it safe or take a risk?