Remember Protean hulk+discple of vault for T1.5?

Delicious · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 425

well, i had a dream (yes i dream in magic) about this deck for ext and i had to make it. the deck list isn't bad and has no sideboard. the biggest problem, is it is very slow getting started unless i go off on the third turn. i even named it, "i have a dream".

// Deck file for Magic Workstation
// Lands
2 [RAV] Overgrown Tomb
3 [ON] Polluted Delta
4 [LRW] Swamp (4)
5 [10E] Forest (3)
1 [RAV] Plains (1)
2 [RAV] Sacred Foundry
2 [ON] Windswept Heath

// Creatures
4 [DIS] Protean Hulk
4 [LRW] Doran, the Siege Tower
4 [10E] Ornithopter
4 [10E] Birds of Paradise
1 [OD] Tireless Tribe
1 [PS] Meddling Mage
2 [RAV] Dark Confidant
1 [LRW] Liliana Vess
1 [FUT] Epochrasite

// Spells
4 [AP] Life/Death
4 [JU] Cabal Therapy
2 [FUT] Rites of Flourishing
2 [MR] Lightning Greaves
3 [8E] Ensnaring Bridge
2 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
2 [MR] Mass Hysteria

i think this can be a good deck in the format, with a little tweaking.

thanks all

gushatog · Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 63

why not just play firewake sliver and virulent slivers and make it like the vintage kill?

lennin · Guest

this seems rly bad

Delicious · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 425

wow, thank you lennin for the unproductive criticism

next time, post if you have something worthwhile to say

and gushatog:

i wanted to make it original, but thank you for the help

ant900 · Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2477 Location: somewhere

lennin · Guest

y do u only play 1 lilianna that makes no sense ur only engine is 2 tops and 2 bobs? and the combo isnt even rly good, u have no way do beat ideal

Delicious · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 425

some people post to be flamed and told they suck?

no, they post to maybe get a little help

not get comments from over repugnant prick

Blah234 · Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 125

Actually, saying it sucks is constructive criticism. When someone attacks your idea, you are forced to defend it and while defending it, you are forced to explain why it does NOT suck. And as you explain about why it does not suck, you can possibly see flaws in your explanation.

Furthermore, he asked you questions about certain card choices like the random 1 of Liliana Vess.

My bet is that you thought you could tutor up Liliana Vess with your Hulk, didn't you? You will deny it after realizing you cannot, but I'm pretty sure that you did.

lennin · Guest

and y would u run polluted delta over bloodstained mire

Blah234 · Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 125

To poster again:

Also, you're taking a Vintage combo and trying to apply it to Extended even though the circumstances in Vintage are totally different. Just because this idea does well in T1 doesn't mean it will in Extended. I doubt you did actual extensive testing with this and I think the only reason you say it could be good is because the idea did well in T1.

As I said, the circumstances are way different. First off, part of the combo involved in the T1 deck is banned in Extended (Disciple of the Vault) so you cannot instant win and you have to resort to attacking, which is hard since there is many aggro in the format and your creatures most likely won't get through.

Also, you don't have Flash so you have to worry about using a slower way to get Hulk into play which involves recursion. I notice how the only way you can get the Hulk into the grave is either Therapy yourself or Vess yourself. First, off those are options you'd prefer to do to your opponent and did I mention it's slow?

And after all that work of getting Hulk into play and getting it killed, you don't even assure yourself the win because you still have to attack through things.

As I said, just because this idea does well in T1 doesn't mean it can do well in Extended. Why? You don't have the proper cards (Flash and Disciple to name a few) and the metagame is drastically different.

I agree when saying this sucks and you shouldn't complain since

1) I doubt you tested this extensively and
2) I think you just came here with a lame transition idea and expect other people to test/tweak it for you, which IMO is lazy and pathetic

Ggerg · Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 399

blah234 makes a good point in that being forced to defend something (in this case, an expensive pile of crap) will change your perspective of it

so, on that note, the deck is invalid in this format. build something else, and test it first

MaksymG · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 174

while reading this I realized urborg+black fetchland + tolarian academy or library of alexandria seems good in t1

Blah234 · Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 125

MaksymG · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 174

you are wrong.
Case and point, if you discard korlash to its grandeur ability with urborg in play you may search for any land card in your deck (urzas factory, desert, etc.) this was a recent (well not so recent) update from wizards. The same is true for magus of the moon and blood moon, that is if either one is in play all lands are mountains even in the library.

Blah234 · Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 125