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Gorbadoc
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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 Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: Destruction |
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| The Rules wrote: | Indestructible
If a permanent is indestructible, rules and effects can’t destroy it. Such permanents are not destroyed by lethal damage, and they ignore the lethal-damage state-based effect (see rule 420.5c). Rules or effects may cause an indestructible permanent to be sacrificed, put into a graveyard, or removed from the game. |
What happens when a creature that would have died loses indestructible status? For the sake of an example, suppose you have a Dryad Arbor with Consecrate Land on it, and at some point Consecrate Land is removed.
If Wrath of God is played before Consecrate Land is removed, I think the Dryad Arbor is fine, since the "destroy" effect already happened and failed to do anything.
If the Dryad Arbor had sustained fifty damage earlier that turn, I think the Dryad Arbor dies as soon as Consecrate Land is removed as a state-based effect (damage sustained is greater than or equal to creature toughness).
Here's the oddball: Wrath of God is played. Later, Consecrate Land is removed. Later, Regeneration is cast on the Dryad Arbor. Can the arbor be regenerated, or did the Wrath of God give it a permanent stigma preventing it from ever being regenerated? |
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ant900
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Destruction |
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| Gorbadoc wrote: | | The Rules wrote: | Indestructible
If a permanent is indestructible, rules and effects can’t destroy it. Such permanents are not destroyed by lethal damage, and they ignore the lethal-damage state-based effect (see rule 420.5c). Rules or effects may cause an indestructible permanent to be sacrificed, put into a graveyard, or removed from the game. |
What happens when a creature that would have died loses indestructible status? For the sake of an example, suppose you have a Dryad Arbor with Consecrate Land on it, and at some point Consecrate Land is removed.
If Wrath of God is played before Consecrate Land is removed, I think the Dryad Arbor is fine, since the "destroy" effect already happened and failed to do anything.
If the Dryad Arbor had sustained fifty damage earlier that turn, I think the Dryad Arbor dies as soon as Consecrate Land is removed as a state-based effect (damage sustained is greater than or equal to creature toughness).
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Here's the oddball: Wrath of God is played. Later, Consecrate Land is removed. Later, Regeneration is cast on the Dryad Arbor. Can the arbor be regenerated, or did the Wrath of God give it a permanent stigma preventing it from ever being regenerated? |
the "can't be regenerated" pertains to the instance where wrath kills the creature, not any other times the same creature would be killed. wrath would need wording like disintegrate to do that |
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