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sirvive



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: end of the turn. Reply with quote

Faerie Conclave animation ability reads:

1U- ~ becomes a 2/1 blue Faerie creature with flying until end of turn. It's still a land.

My question is, when does the 2/1 flyer turn back into its normal island-like self? In a recent game my opponent tried to stack the ability in a way that would have the land become animated on my turn and still be able to attack, with out reanimation, during my opponents combat step a turn later. Is this legal?
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CMA-Flippi
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Joined: 19 Mar 2005
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Location: Weiterstad

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The continous effect set up by Faerie Conclaves ability lasts until the next Cleanup/Discard Step.

The end phase has two steps: end of turn and cleanup. 

During the End of Turn Step, "At end of turn" effects trigger, once.
During the Cleanup Step, "until end of turn" effects end.

An ability with "at end of turn" will watch out for the next isntance of that time. This makes those abilites last like "until the next turn ends"

An ability with "until end of turn" will last until the end of the current turn.

Faerie Conclave is the latter, therefore won't stay animated for long
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Hardtrack



Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Posts: 272

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To emphasize: until end of turn durations can never last beyond the end of a turn.
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gushatog



Joined: 19 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EDIT: misread first post

Last edited by gushatog on Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:57 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Avata



Joined: 03 Dec 2006
Posts: 372

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gushatog wrote:
you can't attack at all during your opponent's combat step


Your reading comprehension is spectacular.
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MilanG[GER]



Joined: 10 May 2006
Posts: 58

PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"until end of turn" means until the real end of the turn --> discard step

"at end of turn" means until the next end of turn step ( the one directly after 2nd main, where you can still play instants and before the clean/up ) starts

so if you activate an ability with "at end of turn" in your an end of turn step, the ability will stay activated until the next end of turn step starts

meaning if you did it in the 2nd mainphase, "at end of turn" triggers the very same turn
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Hardtrack



Joined: 10 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MilanG[GER] wrote:
"at end of turn" means until the next end of turn step ( the one directly after 2nd main, where you can still play instants and before the clean/up ) starts

Ehm... no. At end of turn is not a duration, it's a triggered ability. It does not 'last' until the next end of turn step, it triggers when the next end of turn step starts. Pretty big difference.
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