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Delicious



Joined: 08 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: n00b question about lorwyn Reply with quote

how do planeswalker work?

i mean how do you add the counters?

basically, tell me how they work as if i have never played magic in my life, lol
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Craze



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

planeswalkers come into play with a X loyalty counters, then as a cost to use any of their abilities you add or subtract X loyalty counters
you can only play 1 ability a turn.
You can use it's abilities the first turn its played

planeswalkers can be targeted for an attack like a player, also like a player, creatures can block planeswalkers. However Planeswalkers cannot attack or block and have neither power nor toughness.

When dealt any damage you subtract that many loyalty counters from the planeswalker and when they have 0 they go to the graveyard.

damage aimed at a player that resolve can reroute to planeswalkers.
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TaoMatShan



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Planeswalkers aren't technically targeted by attacking creatures. The damage that would normally be done to a player can be redirected to a planeswalker that player controls (this includes damage from attacking creatures and instants and sorcery cards). Planeswalkers are not creatures and can't be targeted by spells that target creatures. You can not use an ability that would reduce a planeswalker's loyalty counters to a number less than 0. Also I believe you can only use the planeswalker's abilities at sorcery speed. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that one.
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Delicious



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they are just very confusing and i wanna really get into competitive play near whee i live so i need to get to know them Smile
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war999



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Planeswalkers aren't technically targeted by attacking creatures. The damage that would normally be done to a player can be redirected to a planeswalker that player controls (this includes damage from attacking creatures and instants and sorcery cards). Planeswalkers are not creatures and can't be targeted by spells that target creatures. You can not use an ability that would reduce a planeswalker's loyalty counters to a number less than 0. Also I believe you can only use the planeswalker's abilities at sorcery speed. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that one.


Just a couple of things. Planeswalkers are targeted by attacking creatures; you have to declare which creatures are attacking a planeswalker and which are attacking a player when you declare attacks. Also, you can chose to redirect noncombat damage from a player to a planeswalker. For example, a lightning bolt that wasn't countered or prevented could be redirected to a planeswalker, though you cannot directly cast creature-only damage spells or effects at a planeswalker itself. You cannot, however, redirect combat damage from a player to a planeswalker, you have to specify which creatures are attacking what beforehand.

All this comes from the official section on Wizard's website Here
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JestersBoots



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:22 pm    Post subject: Craze's Post Reply with quote

This response, while it seems like it would be easier to understand, isn't entirely correct. When attackers are declared, the attacking player decides which creatures he/she is sending to the player, and which are being sent at the planeswalker(s). While there seems like there is little difference when damage goes on the stack, it's actually important to understand this. If you attack with two 3/3 creatures, and your opponent has a planeswalker in play with 5 loyalty counters, you cannot deal five to the planeswalker, and 1 to your opponent.

You attack that planeswalker with one of them, and your opponent with the other to deal three and three... or you charge at the planeswalker with both to deal six should you be trying to kill it... or you charge at your opponent with both to deal six that way to your opponent. In only one of these scenerios will the planeswalker go to the graveyard.

In other words, your opponents planeswalker is indeed attacked as though it were another opponent. Combat damage cannot be redirected to the planeswalker from unblocked creatures attacking your opponent... only from them getting through to said planeswalker.

Jester
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mandanglelow



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would trample work the same way as it normaly does if you were to "attack" the planeswalker?
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Craze



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TaoMatShan wrote:
Planeswalkers aren't technically targeted by attacking creatures. The damage that would normally be done to a player can be redirected to a planeswalker that player controls (this includes damage from attacking creatures and instants and sorcery cards). Planeswalkers are not creatures and can't be targeted by spells that target creatures. You can not use an ability that would reduce a planeswalker's loyalty counters to a number less than 0. Also I believe you can only use the planeswalker's abilities at sorcery speed. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that one.


you can use a planeswalker's ability as long as it has at least the number of loyalty counters on it required to play the ability.
EX: If you control a Garruk Wildspeaker with 4 loyalty counters on it, you may use its third ability, but would have to send it to the graveyard as well.
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Delicious



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow, that wizards site spelled everything out nicely

i liek that you can take off counters with dmg yay

i can't wait for the official patch for mws come sout

i never deal with those shitty "add your own"
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Blah234



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think of it like this:

You, the player, are a Planeswalker.

These 5 Planeswalkers are like players, except they have specific abilities. The loyalty counters are their life total. They can decrease or increase their life total to use one of their activated abilities. They can be attacked by creatures (like the normal player). They can be hit by cards like Incinerate and Rift Bolt (like normal players).

When their loyalty counters (life total) is decreased to 0, they die (with normal players, die = lose the game).
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Tessien



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reddington- wrote:
They can be hit by cards like Incinerate and Rift Bolt (like normal players).


That's not quite true. You CAN'T target planeswalker with Incinerate. You can, though, target a player and when the damage resolves and is being dealt to the player, you can choose to redirect it (but only all of it, not partially) to any of that player's planeswalkers.
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coolcreep



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TaoMatShan wrote:
Planeswalkers aren't technically targeted by attacking creatures. The damage that would normally be done to a player can be redirected to a planeswalker that player controls (this includes damage from attacking creatures and instants and sorcery cards). Planeswalkers are not creatures and can't be targeted by spells that target creatures. You can not use an ability that would reduce a planeswalker's loyalty counters to a number less than 0. Also I believe you can only use the planeswalker's abilities at sorcery speed. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that one.



You are wrong. When a creature attacks, the attacker declares what the creature is attacking; the other player or the planeswalker. The redirection rule is only for non-combat damage. Also, you can play their abilities anytime you could play an instant, but only on your own turn. You can never use their abilities on your opponent's turn.
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coolcreep



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mandanglelow wrote:
Would trample work the same way as it normaly does if you were to "attack" the planeswalker?


Kind of. If the creature is blocked by another creature, the excess damage can be assigned to the planeswalker. However, any excess damage after that cannot trample over the planeswalker and damage the actual player. For example:


Spectral force swings, targetting garruk with 4 loyalty counters. The opponent blocks with a 1/1. The spectral force assigns 1 damage to the blocker and 7 to garruk. damage resolves. The 1/1 takes 1 damage, and dies. Garruk loses all of his loyalty counters, and dies. The 3 "spare" damage was dealt to garruk, it does not trample over to the defending player.
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Tessien



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coolcreep wrote:
Also, you can play their abilities anytime you could play an instant, but only on your own turn. You can never use their abilities on your opponent's turn.


Not true, the abilities are more like sorceries. Citation from the rules below.

Quote:
212.9f: ... A player may play an activated ability
of a planeswalker only during a main phase of his or her turn, when he or she has priority and the stack is empty, and only if none of its activated abilities have been played that turn...
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lennin
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can only play their abilities as a sorcery so only during your main phase
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