stalling ??????????

MACC · Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 2

0:13:05 [mark_c] mark_c plays Primal Forcemage from Hand
0:13:06 [MACC[PT]] MACC[PT] taps Dreadship Reef
0:13:06 [MACC[PT]] MACC[PT] taps Urza's Factory
0:13:06 [MACC[PT]] MACC[PT] taps Dreadship Reef
0:13:06 [MACC[PT]] MACC[PT] taps Faerie Conclave
0:13:06 [MACC[PT]] MACC[PT] taps River of Tears
0:13:06 [mark_c] <mark_c> Ok?
0:13:07 [MACC[PT]] MACC[PT] plays Remove Soul from Hand
0:13:10 [mark_c] mark_c puts Primal Forcemage to Graveyard from Play
0:13:10 [MACC[PT]] MACC[PT] puts Remove Soul to Graveyard from Play
0:13:11 [mark_c] <mark_c> Thinking
0:13:33 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> stoling?
0:13:38 [mark_c] <mark_c> ...
0:13:38 [mark_c] <mark_c> Thinking
0:14:18 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> go...
0:14:18 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> go...
0:14:18 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> go...
0:14:18 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> play fast
0:14:29 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> ok
0:14:29 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> ok
0:14:33 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> you there?
0:14:33 [mark_c] <mark_c> umm i win
0:14:38 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> you?
0:14:39 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> lol
0:14:41 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> go
0:14:44 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> play fast
0:14:45 [mark_c] <mark_c> yea i win
0:14:50 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> because?
0:14:54 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> ok play
0:15:01 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> timbermane :9
0:15:08 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> go...
0:15:08 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> go...
0:15:08 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> go...
0:15:15 [mark_c] <mark_c> after tiem is at 0 mins active player=me ends turn and life totals check
0:15:29 [mark_c] <mark_c> and if it 1-1 person with highest life win
0:15:33 [mark_c] <mark_c> me=win
0:15:34 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> no
0:15:37 [MACC[PT]] It is now turn 25 (MACC[PT])
0:15:37 [MACC[PT]] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:15:37 [MACC[PT]] MACC[PT] untaps his/her permanents
0:15:37 [MACC[PT]] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:15:38 [MACC[PT]] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:15:38 [MACC[PT]] MACC[PT] draws a card
0:15:38 [MACC[PT]] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:15:39 [mark_c] <mark_c> Wait!
0:15:40 [MACC[PT]] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:15:41 [MACC[PT]] MACC[PT] taps Pegasus
0:15:41 [MACC[PT]] MACC[PT] taps Tombstalker
0:15:41 [MACC[PT]] MACC[PT] taps Bottle Gnomes
0:15:41 [mark_c] It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
0:15:42 [mark_c] MACC[PT] taps Pegasus
0:15:42 [mark_c] MACC[PT] taps Tombstalker
0:15:42 [mark_c] MACC[PT] taps Bottle Gnomes
0:15:47 [mark_c] <mark_c> i have plays
0:15:48 [mark_c] <mark_c> lol
0:15:51 [MACC[PT]] It is now turn 26 (mark_c)
0:15:51 [MACC[PT]] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:15:55 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> play and
0:15:56 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> go
0:16:13 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> go...
0:16:14 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> go...
0:16:14 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> go...
0:16:14 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> play fast
0:16:14 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> play fast
0:16:14 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> play fast
0:16:15 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> play fast
0:16:15 [MACC[PT]] <MACC[PT]> play fast
0:16:15 [mark_c] <mark_c> umm i won sry
0:17:42 [<System>] <System> Player Lost

stalling ? I lost Unfarly ....

ant900 · Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2476 Location: somewhere

if someone was stalling you should have reported it to a judge, there is nothing you can do about it now

Spyx · Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 831

seems fair to me. he did nothing for 1 minute but that time could also have been used to take his turn, and time would still be called in his turn so it doesn't really matter.

kby · Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 145

stalling works like this:

-in game warning
-judge warning
-game loss
-matchloss

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so.. warn them for playing slow, then go to judges, when time is called, u might get a 1-5min added playtime to round.... if they do stall alot.. then it becomes a game loss

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most people play slow b/c they are playing more than 1 game at a time....

Die_t · Joined: 18 Jul 2007 Posts: 15

I don't think you have conclusive evidence he was stalling. He could have been checking the time during that time. And if the has lands untaped and cards in hand, he has a play.

gushatog · Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 63

it does seem strange that he mentioned that he will end up winning when time is called and that he will be the active player then.

Fanboy · Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 424

why hasnt this adopted a 5 turn rule yet?????

I had a game where we both were capable over being at higher life at end of our turns...but the other player was watching the clock and stalled to sync it so he would win. I didn't know i could call him on stalling...but despite...playing legit it would still come down to whoever wasnt willing to give the other person a turn during time would win...a 5 turn rule would be much better and fairer. You can put together a last ditch effort in that time...versus (well ill attack him with everything next turn and win the life totals...but he wont pass).

ANEURYSM · Joined: 29 Mar 2005 Posts: 63

wow MACC you just seem like your the stereotypical annoying opponent. repeating go over and over and commanding your opp to play fast is no way to warn them from stalling and is just bad sportsmanship.

ShadeMistres · Joined: 05 Jul 2007 Posts: 45

Well, it does look like stalling to me, seeing as he claimed he would win over 2 minutes before time was called.

MACC, despite being an annoyance (sorry, but nagging won't make me play any faster), was actually *trying* to play faster, even if he was nagging.

But the other guy just looks like he was drawing out his turns so that it would end up being his turn for the win... kinda lame newb way to win, but it's legal I guess cuz it really does make it near impossible to prove....

I agree with the 5-turn rule, or even just a 3-turn rule, cuz the tide of any game can be changed by one or two smart, well-timed plays... alas, that will probably never happen... *shrug*

Jorbes · Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 258 Location: Netherland

Myst · Joined: 10 Jul 2007 Posts: 9

MACC has a point. i hate to be rushed, but in a tourney setting, with a (imo) harsh time limit, stalling is a very real issue that hasn't been properly dealt with. ive been to my share of tourneys (online and off) and the time limit is always a tough issue. even if no one is deliberately stalling, is 50 mins enough for lifegain, martyr, or even control to win without being totally stressed for time?

Avata · Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 372

It doesn't help to post this on the forums. Nothing can be done now. If you think someone is stalling, inform your TC and ask for an extension or a warning. It hardly helps to wait and complain on the forums afterward, unless of course you're just a sore loser and want consolation.

Die_t · Joined: 18 Jul 2007 Posts: 15

Understanding the time limit is part of a turnament. When I used to play at a local card shop, people counted on it. They'd bring a Sligh deck, go 1 and 1 in a round. Take a long time to sideboad, then the last game would be a minute or two. They'd lightning bolt before the bell and win.

Is it annoying? Yes, is they something you can do about it? Not really. You claim 5 turn rule would fix it, but meh. The place I played at had the 5 turn rule, never really did much. As a player, you need to compensate.

I played control, so I added in more win conditions to speed up my wins.

Think of it like Net-Decks. People going online and getting a deck list from a successful player and buying the cards for it. It sucks, but there really is nothing to be done about it.

Avata · Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 372

I've personally never had a problem with net decks. People take pride in building and using something of their own creation, but the simple fact is that studying the strategy of top players is part of every single sport and strategy game.

If you go to a football game, you'll see teams using similar plays. Why? Because they've all learned what works.

A lot of players have similar techniques for layups, three-pointers, and free throw shots in basketball.

For strategy games, try going to a chess tournament an calling someone "noob" when they open with Queen's Gambit, or going to a Settlers of Catan tournament and complaining when your opponent starts on 8/5/10 ore/wheat/sheep, or going to a Diplomacy tournament and complaining when Italy starts with the Lepanto Opening, and you know what? Everyone else at the table will laugh at you until you go home crying.

Why? Because good players realize that any given game does have optimum plays (even with a game with as much variation as MtG!) and it's absurd to use plays that are less than the best just to be "original" if you want to succeed at the tournament level.

Rako · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 2

Hey, Avata

You may be right if all you care about is winning.

But it is SO much more fun when you win using your own strategy (for me anyway).

If using net decks sucks or not is not for anyone to rule about.

I, for myself like to build my own decks. I'm restarting playing after a LONG LONG period and I barely know the cards and the top-strategies and I know it would be easier just taking some "fast food" net decks and playing some simple-minded strategy (like aggro-burn).

But to me it just is not fun. And to me that's what MTG is about, "fun", not "winning".

Just a thought, but I think that sometimes too much caring for winning takes away the fun and makes people fight over all kind of little issues.

[]'s for everyone.

Rako