Deck based on a new mana engine - need tuning

adatopoulos · Joined: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 7

I think that Cabal Coffers - Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth mana engine is stronger than urzatron in some cases, namely in a Tooth and Nail deck because;

1) In Tooth and Nail, you almost always have lots of lands (Sakura Tribe Elder, Reap & Sow, etc)

2) You only need 2 cards instead of 3

So i came up with a new Tooth and Nail deck idea;

Tooth and Nail with Urborg

Lands (25)

4 Windswept Heath
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Cabal Coffers
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
7 Forest
1 Swamp

Spells (35)

1 Sky Hussar
1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror breaker
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Indrik Stomphowler
4 Sakura Tribe Elder
4 Eternal Witness

4 Tooth and Nail
4 Reap and Sow
4 Sylvan Scrying
4 Diabolic Tutor
4 Pernicious Deed
3 Search for Tomorrow

Possible misconstructed cards:

Eternal Witness: It just doesn't seem to fit the idea but this card is simply broken

Search for Tomorrow: It's a weak card but i don't have ANY 1st turn spells so...

Pernicious Deed: It's also doesn't seem to fit the idea but it's a powerhouse

Diabolic Tutor: I know it's a weak card too, but it seemed a good choice to me. It doesn't seem to fit to curve though...

1 Swamp: Is there to get with Sakura Tribe Elder

Any other suggestions??

And do you think that this deck is tier 1?

Rotstejn · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 157 Location: Belgium

Sensei's Divining Top ?

btw: This is not tier 1 Laughing

Erebus- · Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 93

I think Urborg just works better in Trainwreck. Here is a list if anyone doesn't know Extended.

3 Helldozer

4 Pernicious Deed
4 Distress
4 Duress
3 Staff of Domination
3 Decree of Pain
3 Mutilate/Damnation
4 Chainer's Edict
2 Haunting Echoes
4 Putrefy

4 Cabal Coffers
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Polluted Delta
2 Bloodstained Mire
12 Swamp

4 Wrench Mind
3 Cranial Extraction
4 Consume Spirit
4 Krosan Grip

I suppose since there are 4 Urborgs, you could play Quicksand or Desert or something like that for the Boros or whatever matchup.

Russell_Nash · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 645 Location: Burn Ward

no way tier 1. Way to many ways to disrupt TnN in extended. I have to say Cabal Coffers + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is very hot, though. The fact that cabal coffer itself becomes a swamp as well as all your other lands is kinda funny to me.

Spyx · Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 835

I'd definetely play living wish with 1 urborg and 1 coffers in the sideboard.

I made an extended deck using urborg + coffers as soon as planar chaos was released. Maybe the list will give you some inspiration.

// Lands
4 [RAV] Overgrown Tomb
3 [TO] Cabal Coffers
2 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
2 [ON] Windswept Heath
5 [RAV] Swamp (2)
6 [RAV] Forest (2)
2 [PC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

// Creatures
4 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder

// Spells
4 [US] Duress
4 [JU] Living Wish
4 [CHK] Kodama's Reach
4 [7E] Corrupt
4 [MR] Consume Spirit
4 [MR] Sylvan Scrying
4 [AP] Pernicious Deed
4 [PC] Damnation

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [TO] Cabal Coffers
SB: 1 [PC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
SB: 1 [ON] Ravenous Baloth
SB: 1 [DIS] Indrik Stomphowler
SB: 1 [ON] Visara the Dreadful
SB: 1 [9E] Nekrataal
SB: 1 [CHK] Kodama of the North Tree
SB: 1 [TSB] Withered Wretch
SB: 1 [SOK] Maga, Traitor to Mortals
SB: 3 [CHK] Boseiju, Who Shelters All
SB: 3 [OD] Moment's Peace

CalebD · Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 24

Updated for the rotation:

// Lands
3 [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 [CHK] Boseiju, Who Shelters All
3 [TO] Cabal Coffers
2 [9E] Swamp (2)
3 [ON] Polluted Delta
4 [TSP] Forest (1)
3 [ON] Wooded Foothills
3 [RAV] Overgrown Tomb

// Creatures
1 [FD] Eternal Witness
4 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 [DIS] Sky Hussar
1 [CHK] Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
1 [DS] Sundering Titan

// Spells
4 [TSP] Search for Tomorrow
3 [TSB] Stupor
3 [AP] Pernicious Deed
4 [MR] Tooth and Nail
2 [MR] Mindslaver
4 [10E] Sylvan Scrying
4 [JU] Living Wish
3 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
3 [PLC] Damnation

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [ON] Ravenous Baloth
SB: 1 [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
SB: 1 [CHK] Boseiju, Who Shelters All
SB: 1 [SOK] Maga, Traitor to Mortals
SB: 4 [TO] Mesmeric Fiend
SB: 1 [TO] Cabal Coffers
SB: 1 [TSB] Stupor
SB: 1 [AP] Pernicious Deed
SB: 4 [OD] Moment's Peace

I don't think you want any more/less creatures than what I posted. Urborg makes boseiju less crappy in the md, so I like the 1-1 split. We're probably fecked against the other combo decks... 8 hand disruption spells probably wont be enough. Any thoughts?

IanRobbins · Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 233

KrovikanMist · Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 107

is Trainwreck some sort of creature-control LD deck? whats its matchups against tier1 decks like?