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Omniblinkchord? good idea or bad?


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Fanboy



Joined: 16 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:40 am    Post subject: Omniblinkchord? good idea or bad? Reply with quote

I'm lovin the new omnichord deck runnin around but i keep lookin at the chards and telling myself that momentary blink loves these creatures...so I'm tryin to make a variant with blinks in it...i need some help. Here's what im testing so far.

Omniblinkchord!

Creatures - 21
4 - Coiling Oracle
4 - Wall of Roots
3 - Loxodon Hierarch
2 - Mystic Snake
2 - Vesuvan Shapeshifter
1 - Dust Elemental
1 - Teferi, Mqge of Zhalfir
1 - Venser, Shaper Savant
1 - Brine Elemental
1 - Willbender
1 - Arcanis the Omnipotent

Spells - 16
4 - Chord of Calling
4 - Remand
4 - Momentary Blink
4 - Farseek

Lands - 23
4 - Breeding Pool
4 - Yavimaya Coast
2 - Calciform Pools
2 - Hallowed Fountain
2 - Temple Garden
2 - Plains
2 - Forest
2 - Island
1 - Simic Growth Chamber
1 - Nimbus Maze
1 - Urza's Factory

SIDEBOARD - 15
4 - Aven Riftwatcher
3 - Spell Snare
2 - Riftsweeper
2 - Serrated Arrows
2 - Harmonic Sliver
1 - Mystic Enforcer
1 - Voidstone Gargoyle

Now I'm fairly new to the deck and the SB is still shaping but thoughts and ideas?

Main differences from omnichord:

- coiling oracle over compulsive research...maybe not the best idea but ups my creature count, is good cantripping 2 drop, helps fight aggro with a chump, and can be blinked...also dust elemental target.

- no Crovax. Not fully persuaded to use him as i havent seen this card in action and i wonder if my build even needs him.

- Dust elemental. I like him...with my cheaper guys hes a plausible win con and can be a great save from a wrath of god. I've always loved having one of these in a deck with chord.

- Momentary blink. Loxodon, dust, oracles, vesuvan, snake, venser all benefit greatly off this card and its good anti removal.

- no rune snags. I'm new to omnichord so i dont know how important these are.
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Ironicus



Joined: 08 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omni chord run counterspells because it doesn't run any removal.

Magus of the moon and POW!
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-ReD-



Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This idea is strictly subpar to OmniChord. OmniChord doesn't have many blink targets; only Hierarch, Snake and Venser. Furthermore, you took out Crovax which is so good vs aggro (wanna know how to screw over a army of x/1s?), then you take out the draw card for a cantrip. While, it may be fun to use Blink tricks, you effectively ruined this deck and as you suggested, you didn't know much about the deck to begin with.

It's a control deck with a toolbox.
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Avata



Joined: 03 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm forced to agree - while the idea is cool, it just doesn't play as smoothly as omnichord.

Rune snag is essential because if anything significant actually resolves, you're in really deep.

Also, Crovax is the number one chord target in the deck against aggro, and one of the key toolbox choices in the deck.
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Thorns



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

-1 Dust Elemental
-2 Vesuvan Shapeshifter
-1 Willbender (sideboard card)
-1 Momentary Blink
+ 4 Rune Snag
+1 Crovax, Ascendant Hero

I'm not too sure about the Farseeks either. As stated previously, the deck won't run as smoothely as Omnichord and you should playtest with straight up Omnichord and Blink before merging the two, to find the weaknesses and strengths of both decks.
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TheBends



Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:19 am    Post subject: re Reply with quote

If the deck is good why change it?
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Thorns



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Location: Rath

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:55 am    Post subject: Re: re Reply with quote

Chico_Ze wrote:
If the deck is good why change it?


To improve it.

To costumize it the way you want.

To make it your own.

To innovate.
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MH



Joined: 04 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry but removing the Shapeshifters makes me laugh!
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Fanboy



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe i should stick more with the omnichord list and squeeze 3 spaces for blinks. I love the damn card...but if im gonna run the usual list the creature count isnt high enough to need 4. Also i really love dust elemental + chord as a rescue device. but oh well.
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Fanboy



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Build im testing now with much better results:

Creatures - 20
4 - Wall of Roots
3 - Loxodon Hierarch
3 - Coiling Oracle
2 - Mystic Snake
1 - Arcanis the Omnipotent
1 - Crovax, Ascendant Evincar
1 - Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 - Venser Shaper Savant
1 - Brine Elemental
1 - Vesuvan Shapeshifter
1 - Willbender

Spells - 17
4 - Rune Snag
4 - Remand
3 - Farseek
3 - Momentary Blink
3 - Chord of Calling

same lands and siderboard

The rune snags do help out majorly. also with so many 2cc i lowered the farseek, oracle, and blink count. I'm really in love with the dust elemental for this deck. He saves creatures, lets me recycle my 187's, is very hard to stop if it hits field, and is a cheap cost. But if im going to run him i need oracles over compulsive research to feed him.

I'm a lil edgy only running 1 shapeshifter though.
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kfcman



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need at least 1 more Brine in the board. And if you're gonna only run 1 shifter then you need some in the board.
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Russell_Nash



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Omniblinkchord? good idea or bad? Reply with quote

Fanboy wrote:

Omniblinkchord!

Creatures - 21
4 - Coiling Oracle
4 - Wall of Roots
3 - Loxodon Hierarch
2 - Mystic Snake
2 - Vesuvan Shapeshifter
1 - Dust Elemental
1 - Teferi, Mqge of Zhalfir
1 - Venser, Shaper Savant
1 - Brine Elemental
1 - Willbender
1 - Arcanis the Omnipotent

Spells - 16
4 - Chord of Calling
4 - Remand
4 - Momentary Blink
4 - Farseek

Lands - 23
4 - Breeding Pool
4 - Yavimaya Coast
2 - Calciform Pools
2 - Hallowed Fountain
2 - Temple Garden
2 - Plains
2 - Forest
2 - Island
1 - Simic Growth Chamber
1 - Nimbus Maze
1 - Urza's Factory

SIDEBOARD - 15
4 - Aven Riftwatcher
3 - Spell Snare
2 - Riftsweeper
2 - Serrated Arrows
2 - Harmonic Sliver
1 - Mystic Enforcer
1 - Voidstone Gargoyle


-4 Coiling Oracle. It seems unnecessary to me, it really doesn’t do much for you past tempt you to blink it over better targets.

-1 chord. 3 seems like enough, you don’t wana get multiple chords in opening hand before you can set up for them.

-1 blink. Considering you only have really 6 solid blink targets, 4 seems excessive.(lox x3, venser, and snake x2)

Id suggest trying to work those rune snags and compulsives back in.

Edit: I like you second list better, id still wana cut the coiling oracles though.
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Avata



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd agree, coiling oracle really isn't a good blink target, even if it does have "come into play" written on it.

However, I do like the fact that they cost less than Compulsive, they chump, and they help fuel chord if necessary. Maybe I'll try them out and see what I think.

For the shapeshifter/brine lock, I'm running 2 Vesuvan Shapeshifter and 1 Brine Elemental Main, and 2 shapeshifter and one more brine in the sideboard, and I've found that that's plenty.
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yehudi



Joined: 29 Dec 2005
Posts: 86

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

try running stampeding wildebeasts they are great with al the cip critters you run + its a 5/4 trample for 4 mana
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Avata



Joined: 03 Dec 2006
Posts: 398

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I tried a few things out.

First, I tried just the Dust Elemental, and I must say, I like it. When I first started playing chord I longed for a big, splashy finisher like Akroma, but she didn't fit (way to expensive to tutor for reliably). Dust Elemental can do that, and save your guys as well. I don't know if he'll stick around or not, but he's almost never a dead draw (that surprised me) and seems worth the one slot.

Then, I tried out the coiling oracles. I'd been pretty unimpressed with Compulsive Research overall, because I don't want to tap out early vs. control and if I play something vs. aggro I want do do more on turn 3 than draw cards and pass the turn, so the research was just so slow.

Oracles seem to work great, at worst replacing themselves, but much more often standing in front of an early fanatic or marauder or some other beater.

They might get sided out vs. control, but they help the aggro matchup so much more than research, and they're never a dead draw.
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