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DOODIEPWN
Joined: 27 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:13 pm Post subject: RELENTLESS RATS!!! |
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This is a relentless rats deck. Its casual. Constructive criticism plz
11 Snow-Swamp
3 Urborg
2 Scrying Sheets
4 Mouth of Ronom
1 Volrath's Stronghold
2 Urza's Factory
1 Tomb of Urami
24 Lands
4 Thrumming Stone
4 Brainspoil(Transmute)
1 Final Punishment
1 Patriarch's Bidding
15 Spells
21 Relentless Rats
1 Thrashing Wumpus
4 Swarm of Rats
23 Creatures |
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Magx
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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I don't like the one copies of Final Punishment and Thrashing Wumpus. You could replace them easily by a 2nd and 3rd copy of Patriarch's Bidding (but I wouldn't put 3 copies of that.. I think 2 would be enough). So you could add another Relentless Rats
I don't like the 4 Swarm of Rats. They are useless, since they have no abilities and defense of only one. I would replace them probably by Ravenous Rats or something like that.
Braispoil is really useless. Why transmute for something that you already have about 20 copies of that ? wtf
I would play a tutor (like diabolic tutor or whatever) to make the counterspell guy wastes a counterspell (or about that) to let your Thrummming Stone resolves (good luck with that with a spell that costs 5)
and Urza's Factory ? er no : you will NEVER go to 7- 8 lands, plus it WILL screw your manacurve, even if you play urborg (other players play it too, btw) -> you are running FOUR Scrying Sheets, FOUR Mouth of ronom and 2 scrying sheets. Maybe 1 or 2 swarmyard but even then...
and err... Damnation, maybe ?
Other than that (and it's a lot), it's kind of good |
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D0ODIEPWN
Joined: 27 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Brainspoil gets thrumming stone not rats. it also gets final punishment, wumpus and bidding. The point of the deck is thrumming stones+relentless rats so:
-4 swarm + 4 relentless
-1 punishment + 1 bidding
-1 brainspoil -1 wumpus + 2 no rest for the wicked |
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Headbanger
Joined: 21 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Extirpate = GG? |
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D0ODIEPWN
Joined: 27 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't usually play casual but i thought this deck would be fun i didnt know people played extirpate or damnation in casual its not t2. |
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Magx
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Headbanger wrote: | | Extirpate = GG? |
yes, that is why I put dreadship reef maindeck and Willbender sideboard  |
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Magx
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| D0ODIEPWN wrote: | | I don't usually play casual but i thought this deck would be fun i didnt know people played extirpate or damnation in casual its not t2. |
Well, I tested it in an actual T2 games and it's actually quite good.
I prefer Diabolic Tutor over Brainspoil, you don't really need Thrumming Stone in the deck, but it's really good when it's out. The Relentless Rats are so annoying since they are boosting themselves (and they are kind of big too just with two of them out) that s' why you don't really need Thrumming Stone, but you obviously need them.
I play Damnation to get out of tigth situations and I play Cruel Edit and Ravenous Rats, just for having an effect. the only problem, it'S kind of slow and a bit weak to counterspells, but if you play well, you can win.
A surprisingly good and annoying deck ! |
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Malhavoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2004
Posts: 156
Location: Italy
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| In a relentless rats deck I find Desperate Research to be an awesome card. You can draw an awesome number of rats with it, the problem however is usually finding out a way to get enough mana to cast them all. |
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bgalb
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| play mortal combat in case some1 damnation your rats |
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Magx
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| Malhavoc wrote: | | In a relentless rats deck I find Desperate Research to be an awesome card. You can draw an awesome number of rats with it, the problem however is usually finding out a way to get enough mana to cast them all. |
it's a real good card in this deck... in casual or extended format... I'm talking T2 |
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Magx
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| bgalb wrote: | | play mortal combat in case some1 damnation your rats |
I thought of it, but it's too slow.. really... and plus : even if he plays Damnation, he kills his creatures and I got two or three rats and my hand and will probably draw one the next turn or the turn after that... so, no need for Mortal Combat, even if it's a good idea...at first glance |
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D0ODIEPWN
Joined: 27 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| Good ideas! I'd play 4 ravenous Rats and was thinking about Slaughter Pact/Terror/Tendrils if you want to make it good in T2 |
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Jacois
Joined: 05 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Both Thrumming Stone and Relentless Rats are now in T2, so why not try making it a legitimate Standard deck instead of just adding 5 Legacy/Extended cards? Or, add Aether Vial which is legal in Legacy.
Just because it's Casual doesn't mean you have to avoid using really good cards. If they fit the theme, use 'em. |
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Magx
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Jacois wrote: | Both Thrumming Stone and Relentless Rats are now in T2, so why not try making it a legitimate Standard deck instead of just adding 5 Legacy/Extended cards? Or, add Aether Vial which is legal in Legacy.
Just because it's Casual doesn't mean you have to avoid using really good cards. If they fit the theme, use 'em. |
If you could read, you would have see that I said that I made it T2 |
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Magx
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| D0ODIEPWN wrote: | | Good ideas! I'd play 4 ravenous Rats and was thinking about Slaughter Pact/Terror/Tendrils if you want to make it good in T2 |
Slaugther Pact is a good idea... but I'm not sure with only 8 kill spells if it's enough... that is why I put Damnation. Especially with goyf that runs Mystic Enforcer, Saffi AND whirling dervish in sideboard
I m not sure about tendrils.... I think it s too slow, you don'T need to gain life in this deck
2 or 3 Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth could be good though, btw... |
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