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metroman722



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: i do believe i am right but wanted to check Reply with quote

gigamantis vs OsmarBR [7/18/2007 10:12:35 PM]

0:00:00 [gigamantis] <New Game: waiting for opponent>
0:00:00 [gigamantis] gigamantis shuffles library
0:00:00 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> I am ready.
0:00:00 [gigamantis] gigamantis draws 0 cards
0:00:00 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR shuffles library
0:00:00 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> I am ready.
0:00:00 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR draws 0 cards
0:00:00 [gigamantis] <-------- New Game Started -------->
0:00:00 [gigamantis] gigamantis's Security Code: 239CC87B [Type 2]
0:00:00 [gigamantis] OsmarBR's Security Code: CBBE8A90 [Type 2]
0:00:00 [gigamantis] It is now turn 1 (OsmarBR)
0:00:00 [gigamantis] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:00 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR shuffles library
0:00:00 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR shuffles library
0:00:00 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR rolled a 19, using a 20 sided die
0:00:05 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> hi
0:00:06 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR draws 7 cards
0:00:06 [gigamantis] gigamantis rolled a 13, using a 20 sided die
0:00:08 [gigamantis] gigamantis shuffles library
0:00:10 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> hi
0:00:12 [gigamantis] gigamantis shuffles library
0:00:13 [gigamantis] gigamantis shuffles library
0:00:14 [gigamantis] gigamantis shuffles library
0:00:16 [gigamantis] gigamantis shuffles library
0:00:17 [gigamantis] gigamantis shuffles library
0:00:26 [gigamantis] gigamantis draws 7 cards
0:00:29 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR takes a mulligan
0:00:33 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> p/d
0:00:34 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR shuffles library
0:00:35 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR shuffles library
0:00:42 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR takes a mulligan
0:00:46 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR plays Terramorphic Expanse from Hand
0:00:51 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR taps Terramorphic Expanse
0:00:55 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR sacrifices Terramorphic Expanse
0:00:58 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR is looking its Grimório...
0:01:01 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR puts Forest into play from Library
0:01:02 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR taps Forest
0:01:03 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR shuffles library
0:01:03 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR stops looking its Grimório...
0:01:04 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> End my turn
0:01:06 [OsmarBR] It is now turn 2 (gigamantis)
0:01:06 [OsmarBR] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:01:08 [gigamantis] gigamantis untaps his/her permanents
0:01:08 [gigamantis] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:01:09 [gigamantis] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:01:09 [gigamantis] gigamantis draws a card
0:01:09 [gigamantis] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:11 [gigamantis] gigamantis plays Plains from Hand
0:01:15 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> End my turn
0:01:18 [OsmarBR] It is now turn 3 (OsmarBR)
0:01:18 [OsmarBR] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:01:19 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR untaps his/her permanents
0:01:20 [OsmarBR] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:01:20 [OsmarBR] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:01:20 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR draws a card
0:01:21 [OsmarBR] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:23 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR plays Mountain from Hand
0:01:28 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR taps Forest
0:01:29 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR plays Birds of Paradise from Hand
0:01:37 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> End my turn
0:01:38 [OsmarBR] It is now turn 4 (gigamantis)
0:01:38 [OsmarBR] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:01:42 [gigamantis] gigamantis untaps his/her permanents
0:01:42 [gigamantis] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:01:43 [gigamantis] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:01:43 [gigamantis] gigamantis draws a card
0:01:43 [gigamantis] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:46 [gigamantis] gigamantis plays Desert from Hand
0:01:49 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> End my turn
0:01:55 [OsmarBR] It is now turn 5 (OsmarBR)
0:01:55 [OsmarBR] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:01:56 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR untaps his/her permanents
0:01:56 [OsmarBR] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:01:57 [OsmarBR] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:01:57 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR draws a card
0:01:57 [OsmarBR] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:02:03 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR taps Forest
0:02:04 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR taps Mountain
0:02:05 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR taps Birds of Paradise
0:02:06 [gigamantis] gigamantis rearranges cards in gigamantis's Hand
0:02:08 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR plays Stone Rain from Hand
0:02:17 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> Ok
0:02:17 [gigamantis] gigamantis puts Plains to Graveyard from Play
0:02:20 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR puts Stone Rain to Graveyard from Play
0:02:22 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> End my turn
0:02:24 [OsmarBR] It is now turn 6 (gigamantis)
0:02:24 [OsmarBR] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:02:26 [gigamantis] gigamantis untaps his/her permanents
0:02:26 [gigamantis] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:02:27 [gigamantis] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:02:28 [gigamantis] gigamantis draws a card
0:02:28 [gigamantis] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:02:31 [gigamantis] gigamantis plays Plains from Hand
0:02:34 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> End my turn
0:02:36 [OsmarBR] It is now turn 7 (OsmarBR)
0:02:36 [OsmarBR] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:02:37 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR untaps his/her permanents
0:02:37 [OsmarBR] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:02:38 [OsmarBR] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:02:38 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR draws a card
0:02:38 [OsmarBR] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:02:44 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR taps Mountain
0:02:45 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR taps Forest
0:02:45 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR taps Birds of Paradise
0:02:47 [OsmarBR] OsmarBR plays Force of Savagery from Hand
0:02:49 [gigamantis] gigamantis taps Plains
0:02:50 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> End my turn
0:02:58 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> that dies
0:03:02 [gigamantis] gigamantis untaps Plains
0:03:07 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> no
0:03:09 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> yes
0:03:17 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> no
0:03:23 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> it has 0 toughness
0:03:27 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> unless you have pump
0:03:28 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> it dies
0:03:32 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> yes
0:03:39 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> you don't have any pump
0:03:47 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> no
0:03:54 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> End my turn
0:03:55 [OsmarBR] It is now turn 8 (gigamantis)
0:03:55 [OsmarBR] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:04:01 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> ou can't have a creatur with 0 toughness
0:04:23 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> you
0:04:30 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> it dies
0:04:30 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> you turn
0:04:41 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> no noob
0:04:46 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> dude your the noob
0:04:49 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> force dies
0:04:54 [gigamantis] <gigamantis> cause it has 0 toughness
0:04:59 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> fuck
0:05:06 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> you is noob
0:05:09 [<System>] <System> Player Lost


i posted the whole thing so you could see that there was no pump in play
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DARKING
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Joined: 13 Jun 2006
Posts: 256

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are correct. A creature with 0 thougness or less will die the next time stated-based effects are checked (wich in this case is inmediatly after the creature comes into play).
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Shivan1



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Posts: 30

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

0:04:59 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> fuck
0:05:06 [OsmarBR] <OsmarBR> you is noob


That about sums it up right there.
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Eldar



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only real way to keep this guy around is through +1/+1 counters such as llanowar reborn but even then he still seems terrible.
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ant900



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eldar wrote:
The only real way to keep this guy around is through +1/+1 counters such as llanowar reborn but even then he still seems terrible.
llanowar reborn doesn't work, he would die before he gets the counter. he needs a static effect like gaia's anthem
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Hardtrack



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No triggered (Graft, Primal Forcemage) or activated ability (Equip, Spike Feeder) will work. Only something that will give him the bonus as he's coming into play works (static abilities like Gaea's Anthem).
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Eldar



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Shrugs* then he is even worse than I thought lol makes me feel happy that my friend pulled a foil one thats the kind of thing I would normally open. Someone told me that worked at one point but I wasn't sure because if that was the case then you could use something like brute force to keep it around till eot and that didn't make much sense. Thanks for clarifying.
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Thorns



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always figured Force of Savagry was noob bait for Yu-Gi-Oh players. "OMG! Only 2G for a 8/0 monster! If I attack with it and it goes into blocking position, it's going to die though..."
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