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TwinCast & Storm



 
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RavagerPeru



Joined: 07 May 2007
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: TwinCast & Storm Reply with quote

I was wondering if I decide to play Brain Freeze and the TwinCast the Spell, will the copy adquire the Storm Trigger as well and thus be able to create a huge amount of copies???
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therooster



Joined: 09 Oct 2005
Posts: 53

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope, the spell must be played from your hand to trigger storm... twincast just copies it
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ronjeremyjr



Joined: 28 Mar 2006
Posts: 42

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, you don't have to play it from your hand, you just have to play it. Twincast puts a copy on the stack, storm is a triggered ability that happens when you play the spell. Putting a copy on the stack and playing the spell are two different things, otherwise Mind's desire storm copies would also have storm, and that would just be wacky. So, if you were to play a copy of a spell with storm from your graveyard for example (i.e. a recouped Tendrils of Agony) the storm will still trigger.
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RavagerPeru



Joined: 07 May 2007
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok thanks for your answers!!!

Another question about the same deck, what if I decide to imprint a brain freeze in a isochron scepter; would the imprinted copy of the spell have storm when I activate the ability of the scepter???
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coolcreep



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 265

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(to the iso q.) Yes, it would. You are still playing the copy when you use iso, and therefore storm triggers. As someone previously stated, storm triggers when the spell is played, doesn't matter where or how it came to be played.
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DimeBagRiff



Joined: 06 May 2007
Posts: 31

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who says Twincast copies the storm ability is wrong... Storm ability reads AS IS "(When you play this spell, copy it for each spell played before it this turn.)"

As stated from other ppl as above me, Twincast only puts a copy onto the stack. "When you play" means when you play from hand or from another zone, I.E. RFG!

RavagerPeru: Activating Isochron Scepter with Brain Freeze on imprint will trigger Storm because it is being played, not copied and put DIRECTLY onto the stack.
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TD



Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 105

PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coolcreep wrote:
(to the iso q.) Yes, it would. You are still playing the copy when you use iso, and therefore storm triggers. As someone previously stated, storm triggers when the spell is played, doesn't matter where or how it came to be played.


No, you're wrong, because Twincast doesn't PLAY the copy, it makes a copy and puts it directly on the stack.

So, the answer is:

No, you don't get any storm copies off of a Twincast Brain Freeze, because the copy produced by Twincast is not played.

The answer to the second question is:

Yes, you do get storm copies from a storm spell imprinted on Isochron Scepter, because Isochron Scepter causes you to play a copy of the spell imprinted on Isochron Scepter.
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IanRobbins



Joined: 02 Dec 2004
Posts: 233

PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TD wrote:
coolcreep wrote:
(to the iso q.) Yes, it would. You are still playing the copy when you use iso, and therefore storm triggers. As someone previously stated, storm triggers when the spell is played, doesn't matter where or how it came to be played.


No, you're wrong, because Twincast doesn't PLAY the copy, it makes a copy and puts it directly on the stack.

So, the answer is:

No, you don't get any storm copies off of a Twincast Brain Freeze, because the copy produced by Twincast is not played.

The answer to the second question is:

Yes, you do get storm copies from a storm spell imprinted on Isochron Scepter, because Isochron Scepter causes you to play a copy of the spell imprinted on Isochron Scepter.


How is he wrong, he was saying the extact same thing you just said, read someones post before you quote it please.
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