Flash: ban-worthy?

Meatwarz · Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 95

Its quite obvious it is to be banned (or maybe ban Hulk? Laughing

), just because it creates an unhealthy meta: you either play it or play a Flash-hate heavy deck. Thats it.

TD · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 105

Simply put, Flash won't be banned unless some pro builds a good version of the deck for the GP. If they build a really good version of it, they might ban it. However, I have severe doubts.

Right now, all of the Flash builds suck. Everyone who says differently doesn't know what they're talking about. Every single public build of Flash is too inconsistant to be a good deck. It is a deck which can win on turn 1, but that doesn't make it good - plenty of decks -can- do that. Flash's problem is it is a "win or scoop" style deck - you either win very fast, or you completely get owned and never have a chance. The problem is that the deck requires two pieces in hand, and while this doesn't seem too difficult, the reality is that even with all the tutors this doesn't happen terribly consistantly. The deck only has one route to victory, which hurts it considerably - it has to flash into its combo as it has no plan B. Its countermagic is free, but it isn't as if many decks don't run Force of Will, and the deck rather needs its blue spell to go off.

Today there was a Legacy trial, and 15 people ran flash. Of them, ONE top 4ed. Some may say it "won through the hate", but that's simply silly. It did no such thing. What it did was a numerical attack. There were 15 people, and assuming they have a certain chance of getting sufficiently nutting hands, you'll find that probability indicates you'll have one person who manages to get lucky long enough to T4. Which is exactly what happened.

ExDeath · Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Posts: 1

Future Sight won't be legal for the GP, it becomes legal on the 20th and the GP is on the 19th. And considering there probably won't be another Legacy pro event for like 2 years, they probably won't ban anything. If they do..it'll be Disciple of the Vault.

Edit: btw, if you really want to hate the deck out, you can play maindeck discard + Engineered Plague and Leyline of the Void, which are all good in other matchups. Might not be a tier 1 strategy but it's good if 80% of the decks are goblins/flash/storm.

Ashmatan · Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 53

Yup, I agree. They will ban the card that kills everyone if any. The Disciple will get the nod just as before w/ affinity because it did all the killing, notsomuch the affinity creatures w/ plating.

Laplie · League Staff Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 545

sgtpepper87 · Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 115

and the version without disciple is more resisant vs hate, so banning disciple would do nothing.
they need to errata/ban flash to stop the combo

Eldar · Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 345 Location: Rochester

So um who has actually played against this deck before. To be perfectly honest this deck is fine without future sight. I hate to play against it because I hate to play against any deck that can turn 2 me consistently but then again I just played against it in the quarterfinals of a GPT and smashed its face with 4c Thresh. Thresh from the matches I have seen wrecks this deck pretty fierce. Seeing that about 6-8 out of 24 were playing this deck there and only 1 t8ed kinda says something doesn't it? Anyway IF future sight were legal I could see them banning something however since it isn't until the day after I don't see a problem with the deck. It smashes goblins which is fine by me seeing as I'll be playing thresh and I don't want to play gobbos at all if I don't have to.

Then again it was expected that most would be playing it so quite a few people were main decking leyline of the void. Makes it quite rough for threshold decks but hey whatever. Some of the flash builds are running therapy and duress main now which can help somewhat but oh yeah theres still the problem of turn 0 leyline. Anyway I will say it once more even with all the hate against the deck it will be a huge deck there however it won't be more than 2-3 hulk-flash in the t8 I will assume and I do not think it will win the GP. If they are running the anti-hate it makes them more susceptible to goblins and fish decks so by all means play this deck and make it easier for me to win matches Very Happy

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To be honest I expect a banning eventually but seeing as it is WotC it may take a bit for them to realize its potential (after the GP). If they ban anything I think it will be hulk or flash plain and simple. That or they restrict flash in t1 same difference.

My last phrase to you is if you want to automatically beat this deck board or main deck stifle/trickbind and you will. That's my 2 cents coming from someone who actually beat the best player of the deck at the GPT I went to.

NahHolmes · Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 588

Noob3 · Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 36

There's plenty of decks that already beat this deck. Look at homebrew, it has MD'd engineered plagues to beat Goblins since it has been around in some parts. Now, it only needs to SB 4 leylines.

Is this a deck made spef to hate on Hulk Flash? Nope. It hates on everything.

Iggy Pop MAIN DECKS 4 Leyline of the Void!

I think just a bunch of newbs to Legacy are freaking out about another combo deck. Noone banned Ill Gotten Gains. Noone banned Reset.

Eldariel · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 191

Magnvs · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 11

I hate flash/hulk combo, but i think banning hulk is a better idea than banning flash.

Flash is better than hulk, but I think flash is an interesting card. The other combos with flash aren't broken. They're not a turn 1 win.

Personally I'd like to play Flash + Academy Rector.