Dralnu, X, Flashback and Buyback

Jorbes · Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 263 Location: Netherland

with dralnu , how much would i end up paying in total for
playing Spell Burst from my graveyard with X = 4 and having it come to my hand as part of the resolution?

and why?

also with Grand Arbiter Augustin IV in play, does it cost "that" minus 1 total?

im so rusty, it blows.

Egnirys · Joined: 31 Mar 2005 Posts: 92

You can't buyback from flashback; it is still removed from the game.

Augustin reduces the spell cost by 1.

Kuberr · Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 19

Correct

You CAN pay for the buyback but it will not do much useful, because a card with flashback has the ability of "If this spell would leave the stack after resolving or being countered to any zone, remove it from the game instead."

So buyback, remand or whatever would put it in your hand, but then flashback makes it go to the remove from game zone INSTEAD.

About costs, a spell costs is determined by 3 things:

Mana cost + Extra costs - Reductions.

playing a spell with flashback has a special rule: you can play it form the grave using the flashback cost instead of the mana cost. It is still being played though, and thus grand arbiter augustin will reduce it by 1. considering there are no extra costs (for example, buyback would be an extra cost but that is not useful together with flashback) the cost will be:

Flashback Cost + 0 - 1 generic mana.

(Note that augustin cannot reduce colored mana)

Jorbes · Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 263 Location: Netherland

And the flashback cost would be U + X?

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 487

Correct.

Manipulation · Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 294 Location: Oxnard

Egnirys · Joined: 31 Mar 2005 Posts: 92

The rules say:
"If the flashback cost was paid, remove this card from the game instead of putting it anywhere else any time it would leave the stack."

That about covers any situation...

If a flashback card gets hit with Venser, it's still removed from the game.

Memmy · Joined: 08 Jul 2006 Posts: 26

Yup I Agree With Kuberr, and egnirys

ronjeremyjr · Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 45

One way to think of it, which will answer any questions is, think of flashback removes the spell from the graveyard then puts a copy on the stack. Now if the spell gets remanded, memory lapse'd, etc, the spell's still gone, which is actually how the flashback mechanic works...

Erebus- · Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 93

What happens if you take a Spell Burst with muse vessel and you play Spell Burst with buyback, does it return to your hand or your opponents hand?

st4x · Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 358

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