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Vegantoad
Joined: 12 Nov 2005
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 Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: High Tide |
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anyone have any thoughts on how high tide would do in g.p. columbus.. or does anyone have any updated lists for high tide...it's been a while since it's had an update.
discuss.... |
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R3wind
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Well you could splash red for alt win cons like Grapeshot, Demonfire, Empty the Warrens, and Invoke the Firemind. Also Quicken may be good in the deck this would give you a way to win at EOT. |
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gumonshoe
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| have you ever played the deck R3wind? |
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R3wind
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes you high tide and reset for big mana and storm count. Brainfreeze ftw. Some versions also used the "untap" spells and Stroke ftw. |
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kfcman
Joined: 16 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| R3wind wrote: | | Yes you high tide and reset for big mana and storm count. Brainfreeze ftw. Some versions also used the "untap" spells and Stroke ftw. |
yea thats great and all
but 99% of the time you go off on opponents upkeep
and that is the most solid combo deck in any current format
it does not need any alternate win cons |
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ant900
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| kfcman wrote: | | R3wind wrote: | | Yes you high tide and reset for big mana and storm count. Brainfreeze ftw. Some versions also used the "untap" spells and Stroke ftw. |
yea thats great and all
but 99% of the time you go off on opponents upkeep
and that is the most solid combo deck in any current format
it does not need any alternate win cons |
you can't go off on the upkeep, unless you got an extremely good hand |
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slim1815
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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From how I've played the deck, you wait until you are about to potentially die from lethal damage, not during upkeep.
Ex. You are at 10 life, and opponent attacks for 12, "In response..." you start casting card drawing, untapping, so on and so on.
Usually this will get you to the winning brain freeze, however there will be times you will just run out of card drawing and just lie there like a drunken cheerleader on prom night. |
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R3wind
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| gumonshoe wrote: | | have you ever played the deck R3wind? |
Plz don't put me on blast. This was a thread about a great deck that has not had an update in years. I am one to think that it does need an update. I think that some newer storm spells could find a home in the deck. It is not like it hurts you to play Volcanic Island over Island in Legacy. Grapeshot and Empty the Warrens have proved to be great cards in t2 and Ext. It all come down to what to cut from one of the best combo decks ever built to update it for the new Legacy format.
Here is a deck list...
// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)
// Lands
19 [UNH] Island
4 [TSB] Desert
// Creatures
1 [UL] Palinchron
// Spells
3 [FE] High Tide (1)
4 [MM] Brainstorm
4 [VI] Impulse
4 [NE] Accumulated Knowledge
4 [JU] Cunning Wish
4 [WL] Disrupt
4 [ST] Counterspell
4 [AL] Force of Will
1 [SC] Brain Freeze
1 [US] Stroke of Genius
3 [LG] Reset
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [FE] High Tide (1)
SB: 1 [LG] Reset
SB: 1 [SC] Brain Freeze
SB: 1 [US] Stroke of Genius
SB: 1 [TSB] Whispers of the Muse
SB: 1 [TE] Capsize
SB: 1 [MI] Dissipate
SB: 1 [SH] Evacuation
SB: 1 [AQ] Hurkyl's Recall
SB: 1 [SC] Stifle
SB: 1 [CHK] Squelch
SB: 4 [IN] Teferi's Response |
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st4x
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:39 am Post subject: |
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so bad and there has been what you call updates to it.
// Lands
12 [A] Island (1)
3 [ON] Polluted Delta
3 [ON] Flooded Strand
// Spells
4 [IN] Opt
4 [RAV] Remand
2 [CHK] Peer Through Depths
1 [SOK] Twincast
4 [MM] Brainstorm
4 [AL] Force of Will
4 [VI] Impulse
3 [OV] Meditate
4 [LG] Reset
3 [US] Turnabout
4 [FE] High Tide (1)
3 [JU] Cunning Wish
2 [SC] Brain Freeze
// Sideboard
SB: 3 [SOK] Twincast
SB: 1 [OV] Meditate
SB: 1 [US] Turnabout
SB: 2 [SC] Brain Freeze
SB: 1 [DS] Echoing Truth
SB: 1 [ON] Chain of Vapor
SB: 1 [UL] Rebuild
SB: 1 [US] Stroke of Genius
SB: 4 [IA] Hydroblast |
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R3wind
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Posts: 886
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:39 am Post subject: |
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This is the pure combo version.
Solidarity
Sample Decklist:
14 Island
4 Deserts "must have as anti Xantid Swarm" or play Islands
4 High Tide
4 Reset
4 Opt
4 Brainstorm
4 Impulse
4 Force of Will
4 Remand
3 Meditate
3 Turnabout
3 Brain Freeze
3 Cunning Wish
2 Flash of Insight
Sideboard:
4 Hydroblast
3 Disrupt
2 Twincast
1 Brain Freeze
1 Meditate
1 Turnabout
1 Echoing Truth
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Stroke of Genius |
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NahHolmes
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| Hell nah R3wind. Why did you have to netdeck Solidarity and then make it worse. You want the saclands not Deserts. This is Legacy Deserts don't help, Lackey still drops a Goblin buddy. Saclands thin out the deck and have synergy with Brainstorm which is very crucial. I think Solidarity is currently a bad choice because I think there will be lots of Blue based Aggro Control which is your worst matchup, also it is a very hard deck to play especially in long tourneys. Unless you are already super crucial with Solidarity and you have played it at least 2x in big tourneys I would just break out Meathooks or something with a teched out board and hope for the best. |
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R3wind
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| You are right about the sac lands. But I lost to a deck with the Swarm and chant. So I posted it to be funny. I do think that it is good as a one of. Also I hear that one damage is great vs Jackel Pup and Lions... The deck also seems to have a really bad match vs Charblecher combo. If you do not get the FoW on the opening hand is really hard to stop. |
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Avata
Joined: 03 Dec 2006
Posts: 372
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| slim1815 wrote: | From how I've played the deck, you wait until you are about to potentially die from lethal damage, not during upkeep.
Ex. You are at 10 life, and opponent attacks for 12, "In response..." you start casting card drawing, untapping, so on and so on.
Usually this will get you to the winning brain freeze, however there will be times you will just run out of card drawing and just lie there like a drunken cheerleader on prom night. |
Actually, that's a really bad idea, since your opponent doesn't lose immediately from brain freeze (they don't lose until they attempt to draw a card and can't).
I guess you can try and hit them with a draw spell as well, but it's usually just best to wait until their upkeep on the turn they'd swing for lethal. |
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ant900
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Posts: 2477
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Avata wrote: | | slim1815 wrote: | From how I've played the deck, you wait until you are about to potentially die from lethal damage, not during upkeep.
Ex. You are at 10 life, and opponent attacks for 12, "In response..." you start casting card drawing, untapping, so on and so on.
Usually this will get you to the winning brain freeze, however there will be times you will just run out of card drawing and just lie there like a drunken cheerleader on prom night. |
Actually, that's a really bad idea, since your opponent doesn't lose immediately from brain freeze (they don't lose until they attempt to draw a card and can't).
I guess you can try and hit them with a draw spell as well, but it's usually just best to wait until their upkeep on the turn they'd swing for lethal. |
again, you can not go off during the upkeep unless you have an amazing hand, why do people not read reset?
anyways there is a reason why the deck plays a singleton stroke in the SB, which I use quite a bit more often then waiting for the opponent to draw NEXT TURN |
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IanRobbins
Joined: 02 Dec 2004
Posts: 233
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: |
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How do you go off during your opponents upkeep? Thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard.
Card type: Instant
Casting cost: UU
Oracle text: Play Reset only during an opponent’s turn after his or her upkeep step.
Untap all lands you control.
Do you play like 10 turnabouts or somthing? |
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