"Hunted" creatures + Confusion in the Ranks

Flamancipatr · Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 24

I need to figure out what's going to happen with these card combinations.

For example, if I have Confusion in the Ranks in play, and I play a Hunted Dragon while no other creatures are in play, what will the outcome be? Will I be left with 1 knight and he has the Dragon + 2 knights? Same goes for all the other "hunted" creatures, too much "come into play" text is confusing me x_x

I'm thinking this is what happens:

- I play Hunted Dragon, CitR activates and goes on the stack, along with the 3 knights clause on top of that.

- The 3 knights come into play, and their CitR activation goes on the stack.

- Knight #1 swaps for dragon, Knight #2 swaps for Knight #1, and Knight #3 swaps for Knight #2

- The Hunted Dragon CitR goes off, and he has to trade his Hunted Dragon for my knight.

So in the end it's like nothing ever happened? I dunno this is confusing me to the max.

Thanks in advance.

~Flamy

toguppy · Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 297

thats how i see it presuming that there arent any better creatures for your opponent to choose from.

the moral of the story is that 2x confusion in teh ranks is better then 1 and gating creatures are awesome Razz

hobo_pope · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 6

I might be wrong but I don't think that's how it works. so you have one confusion in the ranks and no creatures in play:

Hunted dragon comes into play
Two triggered abilites (confusion and dragon) trigger
You can choose to stack them whichever way you want. Since there are no legal targets for the confusion trigger when you decide to stack that trigger, it can't target anything and so fizzles. then the hunted dragon ability resolves and three knights come into play under your opponent's control. Their three triggers each target the hunted dragon. Knight #1 switches with the hunted dragon and then the next two knights triggers fizzle because the dragon is no longer a legal target.

Again, I may be wrong but if I'm not the final result would be: you have 1 knight, your opp has dragon and 2 knights.

Basically my reasoning is: the hunted creature can't target anything with its trigger because nothing is in play to target when its confusion trigger goes on the stack. Then one of the creatures the hunted creature makes will exchange with the hunted creature and the rest will stay where they are because the hunted creature is no longer a "permanent another player controls".

Zsoltsy · Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 11

"
Hunted dragon comes into play
Two triggered abilites (confusion and dragon) trigger
You can choose to stack them whichever way you want. Since there are no legal targets for the confusion trigger when you decide to stack that trigger, it can't target anything and so fizzles. then the hunted dragon ability resolves and three knights come into play under your opponent's control. Their three triggers each target the hunted dragon. Knight #1 switches with the hunted dragon and then the next two knights triggers fizzle because the dragon is no longer a legal target. "

this would be right, except when you said 'the next two knight triggers fizzle'. The next knight trigger trades a knight for a knight, and the next knight trigger trades a knight for a knight.

So same result, but its knight #3 that whoever cast the hunted gets to keep. opposed to knight #1.

TD · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 103