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Thorns
Joined: 16 Aug 2006
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 Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: Vanishing |
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If I remove the last time counter off a vanishing permanent using Timebender or something, do I have to sacrifice it?
If not, I just broke Calciderm even more!  |
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kfcman
Joined: 16 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Vanishing |
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| Thorns wrote: | If I remove the last time counter off a vanishing permanent using Timebender or something, do I have to sacrifice it?
If not, I just broke Calciderm even more! |
| Quote: | | (This creature comes into play with four time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter from it. When you remove the last, sacrifice it.) |
pay special attention to the last line of reminder text:
| Quote: | | When you remove the last, sacrifice it. |
It doesn't matter how the counter is removed as long as it is removed. |
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Thorns
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| See, that's what I wasn't sure about. Thanks |
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swarm_n_slam
Joined: 16 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: USE!!! |
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| Use Stifle / Trickbind / Voidslime when the last counter is removed. |
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onecleanceli
Joined: 27 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: USE!!! |
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| swarm_n_slam wrote: | | Use Stifle / Trickbind / Voidslime when the last counter is removed. |
legal? |
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Spyx
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it is. When means a triggered ability. |
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DaanP
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| it is legal, that is why vanishing>fading |
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kfcman
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: Re: USE!!! |
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| onecleanceli wrote: | | swarm_n_slam wrote: | | Use Stifle / Trickbind / Voidslime when the last counter is removed. |
legal? |
Yes Indeedy |
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Thorns
Joined: 16 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:11 am Post subject: Re: USE!!! |
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| onecleanceli wrote: | | swarm_n_slam wrote: | | Use Stifle / Trickbind / Voidslime when the last counter is removed. |
legal? |
Well I was talking about Calciderm, so no, it's not legal.
You all just got pwned! |
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Magx
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: Re: USE!!! |
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| Thorns wrote: | | onecleanceli wrote: | | swarm_n_slam wrote: | | Use Stifle / Trickbind / Voidslime when the last counter is removed. |
legal? |
Well I was talking about Calciderm, so no, it's not legal.
You all just got pwned! |
I m sure they all meant it's legal TO DO ! it was obvious that you (and they) were thinking of that, since you ask the question about A RULING ! Because we all know that Calciderm is not SANCTIONNED legal but you can still play with it as long as you ask the permission of your opponent (because you can play with the temporary patch of MWS ) ... so YOU get PWNED ! |
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DaanP
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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thorns means the untargetability of calciderm.
But with stifle/the like you don't target calciderm now do you? you target the triggered ability, so yeah i think it IS LEGAL.
cheerio! |
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onecleanceli
Joined: 27 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Sun_Jian wrote: | thorns means the untargetability of calciderm.
But with stifle/the like you don't target calciderm now do you? you target the triggered ability, so yeah i think it IS LEGAL.
cheerio! |
so they actually "non-targettable" a name now 'thorns' u said.... thats pretty cool i guess |
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eton
Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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What if the situation is this:
You play calciderm and when the last counter is about to be removed you play sudden spoiling making them 0/2 and lose all their abilities. What will happen?
Or
Your opponent plays calciderm (4 vanishing counters) then u play sudden spoiling. After the turn how many vanishing counters is left on calciderm?
Just a noob question im just wondering, im not that good at rules sorry. |
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Naylyn
Joined: 25 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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well if you wait until the last counter is removed the triggered ability will be on the stack already so you will still have to sacrifice it.
If you play the spoiling before the counter is removed, the ability will go and you wont have to remove a counter this turn, but you will have to next turn. However if you play spoiling and remove counters using fury charm, time bug ect, you wont have to sacrifice it. |
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