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Censorship



Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morph itself is a static ability. Morphing a creature is considered a 'special action' (term used in comp rules). This is why split second doesn't stop a creature from morphing. After it morphs, the trigger will hit the stack because split second doesn't stop those either.

The issue of static abilities doesn't even enter the equation here.

Morph as a static ability would be an issue with cards like Humility however. A resolved Humility will remove a face down 'ability to morph as long as Humility is in play.
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Magx



Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that when you morph a card, it doesn't go on the spell.. but when the ability of the morph trigger, it doesn't go on the stack ? I do not see that in the specific rules...
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onecleanceli



Joined: 27 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turning a morphed creature face-up (morphing the creature) does not use the stack... i dont know exactly how to call it w/e but it "Just happens" when you pay the cost.... if i have read correctly, i believe when (example) wipe away is played, counterbalance would be triggered automatically due to a spell being played, and you should be able to reveal the top card, in hopes if countering it....correct me if im wrong please, but only if you're 100% sure b/c im sick of reading noobs posting what they think is right, only to see 6 posts down that they stand corrected
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jheezy



Joined: 30 May 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

onecleanceli wrote:
turning a morphed creature face-up (morphing the creature) does not use the stack... i dont know exactly how to call it w/e but it "Just happens" when you pay the cost.... if i have read correctly, i believe when (example) wipe away is played, counterbalance would be triggered automatically due to a spell being played, and you should be able to reveal the top card, in hopes if countering it....correct me if im wrong please, but only if you're 100% sure b/c im sick of reading noobs posting what they think is right, only to see 6 posts down that they stand corrected


this is true

as censorship said, morphing a creature is a special action which doesnt use the stack. triggered abilities also work vs split second such as counterbalance
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Laplie
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Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saying "static abilities don't use the stack" is nonsensical. Static abilities are essentially every ability that isn't activated or triggered.

Glorious Anthem's static ability is "Creatures you control get +1/+1". Of course that doesn't use the stack. The ability creates a continuous effect.

Split second doesn't stop triggered abilities because triggered abilities are not played.

Split second doesn't stop turning over a morph creature because that is not an ability, it's a special action.
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Reginrok



Joined: 09 May 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know you can technically morph voidmage prodigy in response to sudden death, but wouldn't his ability not be able to be activated because the sudden death is on the stack and his Pay UU sac to counter a spell would not be able to be activated?
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Goofy



Joined: 04 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they mean to use Voidmage Apprentice.
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IanRobbins



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reginrok wrote:
I know you can technically morph voidmage prodigy in response to sudden death, but wouldn't his ability not be able to be activated because the sudden death is on the stack and his Pay UU sac to counter a spell would not be able to be activated?


Correct, the counter ability is a activated one just like any other, and cant be used while it is getting tooled by sudden death
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