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Eldar
Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 416 Location: Rochester
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| So what colors do u think abuse blink green for krosan cloudscraper??? Honestly don't act dumb. This deck has placed twice now with 9th at worlds and 7th at the recent SCG 1k tourney so for those that don't think the deck can win well then you just suck at playing it. I have seen this deck in action and it does well vs boros and even control with solifuges from board. If it gets a land lead on control its hard for them to catch up and it is very easy to color screw most versions of control. However I think this deck might have trouble with dstorm but I'm not positive maybe the mass LD owns it but wipe aways/trickbinds would help that matchup. |
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Meatwarz
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 95
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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All the builds seen here have VERY bad game against any aggro. It doesn't crush boros at all (even after SB) and the match vs anything green is just horrible. Hovever most of the control matches are really good, as it's just aggro+LD.
I personnaly like more controlish versions of the deck, like the usual URW Control, but using some Blinks (+ suspendable bouncer) and Hellkites. Just because Hellkite eot, at your turn attack, blink,flashback=GG, and a better game against aggro. |
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faraway
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 88 Location: Wouldn't y
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I have to say that I am a total idiot and take back everything bad i said about this deck. First of all, this deck wrecks boros to shreds. Second, I went 4-0 at my fnm this week beating 2 boros! This Saturday I went 6-0 and beat 2 izzetron decks. This deck is very good, especially with the current metagame. |
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Marv
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: |
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This deck is everything else but "bad"!
I played it last FNM and went 4-0, winning all matches 2-0! |
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faraway
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 88 Location: Wouldn't y
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| agreed marv |
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Afroking_
Joined: 25 Jun 2005 Posts: 33
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:12 am Post subject: Planar Chaos... |
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| What cards does this deck gain from PC. Is Akroma, Angel of Fury viable? I think that card will help a faster win, especially if it is blinked end of opponents turn. |
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Shagrath
Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 235
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: ... |
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As for ppl saying that we shouldn´t criticize a guy that made top9 in last worlds, i think that's stupid.
(e.g) I've played 2 times against Paulo Carvalho, a portuguese guy that made top8 at worlds and i've won both times, and i don´t think that he have better playing skills that some ppl at magic-league have, so don´t say that cuz a guy made a great performance at worlds shouldn't be criticized. That's lamme. But critics should be made in a constructive way.
P.s : Pardon my french. |
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Eldar
Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 416 Location: Rochester
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| All I know is that this deck gets raped hard by MGA. MGA just sits back drops excellerants up the ass and bounces all its lands with scryb so they don't ever die and laughs at the decks face as it beats em down with cloaked, giant growthed, any pumped creatures. |
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JonPatton
Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 157
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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This deck reminds me a lot of the angry hermit deck . . . when it functions, it's one of the best decks in the environment, and when it doesn't, it's still a decent deck. It's also got the advantage over a lot of LD decks in that it has card drawing and most of its tempo is also its win conditions. I seriously wonder why so many people are saying this deck is a pile.
I dropped the Knights for some extra removal (Demonfire, 4th Helix, and another Skate), but I don't actually suggest it. I only did that because I'm hooked on power instead of consistency.
Also, try to find a way to go up to four Riftwing Cloudskates. Even the decks creator acknowledged that he would have squeezed a fourth one in if he'd realized how insane they were. You think Avalanche Riders is good in here? How about paying half the mana and not having to pay their echo? How about being a Man o'War when you need one? How about getting rid of pro-red guys that snuck in before your LD came on line? Seriously, they're really, really good in here.
And yeah, it has a couple bad matchups. MGA is no picnic. Of course, you beat all the decks that curb-stomp MGA, so I don't know why anyone's complaining. And you do play plenty of flyers and burn. You could, I mean, COULD, just SB some Wraths and bounce some non-hastey fatties and race them. Then it would play a lot like This Girl. Which I believe beats MGA, hmmm?
I would say this deck is hovering around the top of tier two . . . like every other good deck in our tier-1-less Type 2. |
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Engrishskill
Joined: 15 Jan 2007 Posts: 628
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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I get it, Korbac says "french", but he means english. Haha. "Lamme".
How important is bothering with current t2 decks when a new set will be fully spoiled within like a day or two? |
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r3wind
Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 1252
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I like the version with two Hellkites. I also so like more white in the deck. Wrath makes the green match ups a lot better. I have played vs this decks a lot and I think that a lot of players make the mistake of not paying the echo on the Riders. That counters the tempo and card advantage that you gained from the Riders in the first place. Has anyone tried using Ghostaway vs Blink? I think that would have more synergy with the deck. Then again I have never played it. |
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toguppy
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 317
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:27 am Post subject: |
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ok been playing this deck qquite a bit of late.... i have come to realise the main problem with this deck is if they are playing mga OR they play teferi... now to fix this up i have commited the sb to some cards that help in this
// Lands
2 [9E] Adarkar Wastes
2 [9E] Shivan Reef
3 [9E] Plains (3)
3 [TSP] Island (1)
3 [RAV] Sacred Foundry
4 [GP] Steam Vents
4 [DIS] Hallowed Fountain
2 [TSP] Mountain (1)
// Creatures
4 [TSB] Avalanche Riders
4 [TSB] Lightning Angel
4 [DIS] Court Hussar
3 [TSP] Riftwing Cloudskate
// Spells
3 [DIS] Demonfire
4 [RAV] Remand
4 [RAV] Lightning Helix
3 [TSP] Momentary Blink
4 [9E] Stone Rain
4 [TSP] Ancestral Vision
// Sideboard
SB: 2 [CS] Cryoclasm
SB: 2 [TSB] Disenchant
SB: 3 [9E] Circle of Protection: Red
SB: 2 [TSP] Mangara of Corondor
SB: 3 [DIS] Odds/Ends
SB: 3 [TSP] Temporal Isolation
odds\ends..... omfg!!! kicks u/w tron cannot soft lock you when you can counter their spellburst.... ends removes the threat of mga sac 2 creatures.... you can stall em with lightning helix and remand and other removal till then
only need 2 cryocalsms... try sbing these puppies their are nice vs decks with plains and islands, but i'd plain prefer to destroy a bounce land.
temporal isolation, prevents damage from dragons CIP. works vs boros, mga,gruul, zoo, ... reanimation even.
disenchants are for obvious reasons
mangara sb's vs sacred ground/martyrtron, +extra removal vs mga block + remove. also just plain good in ANY matchup where you needed more removal.
cop:red.... boros,gruul,dragonstorm... akroma now
btw ghostaway is bad... the whole idea of blink is to be able to remove multiple times. and to hammer control even if they counter the first one. |
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ShaheenS
Joined: 26 Oct 2004 Posts: 1
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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I only have a minute so I'll reply to most of the comments I remember.
The deck is a serious competitive deck, I played it at Worlds (Well 80% serious, 20% joke) =)
The sideboard needs 4 cryoclasm, 3-4 disenchant, 4 faiths fetters and the rest is up in the air (metagame call).
The deck DESYROYS BOROS AND ALL AGGRO THAT IS RED BASED that is played anyway. (RG, RW, Zoo, etc.)
MGA is a hard match, very hard match, but isn't too popular nationally or worldwide so who cares.
The original build with visions in the main in my opinion is still the best, and my two losses at worlds were to a UR burn deck.......good lord...., and a very close game against glare that needed 4/4 spectral force to take down the mighty blink deck
I would suggest this deck to anyone regardless of metagame EXCEPT if losers are playing the deck by the guy I IDed with (dragonstorm). In that case I would abandon this all together but otherwise it is a fine choice, runs smoothly, and hoses aggro and control alike.
Thanks for the confidence toss because of the worlds finish, and I hear those who say "well i beat so and so , so he isn't that good". I have beaten Masachi Oiso, but there is no way in HELL I am close to the skill of that Asian Master. This is, ladies and gentlemen, a game of chance/luck/skill/numbers/etc, and anything can happen. You could lose to a six year old who learned to play two weeks ago, it is possible, but one game/match doesn't determine play skill and all you really have at the end are accomplishments. My overall suggestion is simple: you take a metagame (the top tier decks along with what is played locally as a whole) and you start from scratch with hosers or solid cards against 2/3s of those decks, and you start building , scrapping, building, scrapping until you have a concept. Then you tune that concept and finally you will have a Masterpiece (no pun intended). The last step is to play as mistake free as possible, then 9th at worlds, PTQ wins, Regional Top 8s will just start flowing, I promise. |
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Tanis1217
Joined: 15 May 2006 Posts: 4
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: Hmm... |
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| So this deck has been in my FNM meta for a bit. The concepts have been tossed between the Hierarch + Mystic Snake variety pack, the Riders Cloudskate variety, and some much much more jank versions. Hellkites pop up now and then. And sure, it wins. I'm certainly not going to argue with the guy at worlds... but I will argue with everyone else. Did YOU go to worlds? Do you have a composite raiting over 1950? Do you playtest 5 times a week with several pro players? I'm putting money on no, for the largest part. I can certainly name a deck that Blink will always go 0-x against. Pickles. Fear the Willbender. Given the rise of pickles as the love / hate control deck I think Blink is not the most amazing deck you all make it to be. It's good, but 4-0 results prove that you jumped on a meta that wasn't prepared / aware. It's as likely to win as Boros, DStorm, etc. Sit down, playtest, take a deep breathe. It's a good deck, but it has as many problems as every other deck. |
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Engrishskill
Joined: 15 Jan 2007 Posts: 628
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:14 am Post subject: |
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Well, I haven't played blink riders too much but I did play blinkglare ALOT and can say that blink glare seems to run into mana problems more(as crazy as it sounds).
As for shit talking about about Shaheen, yeah, he placed ninth at a recent event but the guy has also had a number of other very solid finishes. I am quizical as to the ShaheenS dude being the actual guy but just for an aside to guy on the botom of the Jordan slamdunk poster, Jeff Fung(a Burnaby player who has since slowed down in the pro scene as far as I know) used to make finishes that were just shy of top eighting and stuff made it to the top from time to time and is actually an incredibly good player...I've sat around and bs'd with Fung and played against him and watched him play. Just because someone doesn't make the big wins doesn't mean someone sucks. Shaheen made the deck, tested it and took it to ninth. We're just the dudes that are picking his brainchild apart.
Has anyone really done stuff with this deck, in regards to COMPETITIVE improvements? No offense to prior poster about odds/ends but yeah. Also, I totally hear Shaheen poster on losing to a scrub. At a local fnm a week or two ago, I lost to this schizo/adhd freak that was playing some p.o.s WB scrub brew deck because my scrybforce deck refused to cooperate and said wierdo actually pulled off exploding a magus of the disk on me. I felt like quitting mtg after and then I remembered shit happens. |
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