Commandeer vs Dragonstorm

xamter · Joined: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 24

How would commandeer work against Dragonstorm would they still get the storm effect or would both people get the storm of effect!

aldaryn · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 439

I'm 99% sure when Dragonstorm is played, i.e. put on the stack, the storm triggers and all the copies of the spell (minus the storm effect) go on the stack, and you could only Commandeer one of them.

TheDarkMan · Joined: 24 Sep 2004 Posts: 21

Your Commandeer takes control of one spell. Even if you take the original spell, whoever played the 'Storm controls the copies.

And remember, the copies go on top of the original...

aldaryn · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 439

QUESTION if I commandeer the original, the commandeer is above the storm triggers on the stack, but the original is below it, so does my copy happen before or after storm triggers? I think the commandeer resolves and then the original on the bottom of the stack is now 'mine', right? Which would be nice to use it to get a dragon, except I'd have to have one in my deck........

charliepease · Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 3

Actually, once dragonstorm's been played the next time a player would get priority the trigger goes on the stack, then the dragonstorm player gets priority, followed by you. At that point you could commandeer the dragonstorm, though it wouldn't help you a whole lot since the storm copies would resolve first... but hey, who knows.

seb_ · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 53

yes, so the key is to use the commandeer on the ritual spell that would put the ds player above the critical 9 mana

mossivo1986 · Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 37

Ok, Commandeer vs: Dragonstorm. It's an interesting combination. In the matches that i've played vs the Dreaded D storm combo stupidness. Here are the most effective tools against it.

Play something either fast, or that has incredible control cards. Not no stinkin' Solar pox. Ew, just say no.

If you run commandeer run something that can get you back in the game. Hope that you are running something thats running alot of u soruces, via compulsive research, think twice, tefari, mana leak, remand... Remind u of a certain u archetype? Oh well, Anyways:

The other thing you want with Comandeer is the ability to cast it with ease either mid- late game. And stealing their:

Castigate-
Persecute-
Compulsive research-
D storm- with previous trick-bind- It's D storms worst nightmare: IF you pull this off Say these words loud and proud: "NO!, My DRAGON!" And begin searching for ur Hellkite, or... Still reminding you of a certain archetype yet???

Oh well,

Personally my favorite target is someone with one card in hand and plays demonfire for 17, When ur at 12. You sirk and play your commandeer, squash two cards, They go ok fine. And you follow up with your own demonfire with no cards in hand as well, and since their tapped out, thats a gg buddy! Personally i've done this in one of the tourneys here, and I think my opponent about shit his pants when he saw it. His literal words were "You got me with my pants down." I laughed my ass off and moved on to game two, where I smooshed him with my favorite follow up card in standard right now. Which I won't be disclosing, seeing how noone REALLY plays it. Thank god for untested beauties.

Anyways Comandeer vs: D- STORM, CAN be good, keeping in mind that you either can take their mana source and make your own dragon, or just comandeer the d storm, and since they only hit you for a whopping amount of damage, it ALWAYS pays off to count vs D storm, keep track of their open sources, and if they haven't combo'd off yet, it's because they haven't got one of two cards, one being d storm, two gigga. The land cost is also something but when one has calciform pools or any kind of multiple producing mana source it's almost game. I said ALMOST. Smart players will wait D-Storm act and make them make their move. If they don't play near perfect, capitalize via ld or just don't let them see their lotus blooms, and watch them cry and bitch as they see two lans sit in play for three turns and you counter/ or ld as they loose all remaining sources/ and or permanents.

I haven't seen how discard does against Dstorm, but I want an honest annalysis, not some bullshit Dstorm player who says my deck is the best and doesn't get beat by control or discard or aggro, because those answers arn't true at all. It's all about timing, and most Dstorm players are failures at life when it comes to timing.

Peace
-Joel Ferris

Taoofss · Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 308

dragon storm reads "search your library for a dragon than put it into play." you commandeer it, youd have to search you own lib for a dragon card. if you dont run dragons, very pointless wouldnt you say?

djww19 · Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 396

Just run a 1 of a Bogarden or such. Easy fix, and it shouldn't screw you up too bad. I'd keep it sideboard though, unless you have a way to cast it, obviously.

rickiep00h · Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 45

Or you could steal their fourth dragon away from them, fail to find a dragon in your deck (since you have to find a card with certain characteristics), let their 3 come into play and hit you for 15, wipe them out with Wrath, and then start gaining life (if you haven't already) with whatever method you choose (Martyr, Fetters, etc.), and then watch them cry as their chances of winning dwindle to nothing because you have oodles of control and life and (presumably; if you play UW control) a zillion Pegasus tokens, and they only have three other dragons in their deck.

White and blue have lots of outs against D-storm. Granted, most of the time the D-storm player will tap you down first so you can't cast any of them... but there's ways around it.

Actually, lots of options exist to work around Dragonstorm. I think most of the reason it wins, though, is because the current standard moves at such a snail's pace (most of the time).

ChaoticSaint · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 8

The only two cards in current T2, as of 4/07, are Shadow of Doubt, and Swift Silence. In asking judges, adn long time players alike, I get the same response, "shutdown". Twisted Evil