Ideal

Gerrardfo · Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 324

Ideal from recent minis/trials:
1 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
2 Mountain
1 Breeding Pool
2 Forest
4 Burning Wish
3 Orim's Chant
4 Pentad Prism
4 Lotus Bloom
3 Seething Song
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Wall of Roots
1 Swamp
4 Windswept Heath
2 Sacred Foundry
2 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
2 Wooded Foothills
4 Plains
2 Solitary Confinement
1 Honden of Seeing Winds
2 Dovescape
2 Form of the Dragon
4 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Enduring Ideal
//Sideboard:
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 3 Sacred Ground
SB: 1 Pernicious Deed
SB: 3 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
SB: 1 Hull Breach
SB: 4 Pyroclasm
SB: 1 Enduring Ideal

Ideal, as played by Michael Nurse:
4 Gemstone Mine
4 Archaeological Dig
4 Geothermal Crevice
4 Tinder Farm
4 Sulfur Vent
4 Ancient Spring
2 Ravaged Highlands
3 Durkwood Baloth
4 Anurid Brushhopper
3 Overmaster
4 Burning Wish
3 Tainted Pact
1 Solitary Confinement
3 Balancing Act
1 Dovescape
2 Form of the Dragon
3 Obliterate
3 Enduring Ideal
4 Lotus Bloom
//Sideboard:
SB: 4 Pyroclasm
SB: 4 Orim's Chant
SB: 1 Solitary Confinement
SB: 1 Overmaster
SB: 1 Balancing Act
SB: 1 Dovescape
SB: 1 Obliterate
SB: 1 Life from the Loam
SB: 1 Enduring Ideal

How could the deck/sideboard be changed? How could the matchups be improved? Which version is better and why? Discuss!

Antilles · Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 10

wow, ideal powered 'tings. neat.

Maybe cut a obliterate for a Deed?

MassO · Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 26

Deed is not a sorcery so kinda hard to wish for it, altho, Decree of Annialation would probably do better ithink,i like the idea of Ting's but, this combo relies on the fact that you have to get lotus bloom early which will be countered, ive tried ideal, doesnt do well, unless you get confinement out then the blue shrine out, you have no way of keeping cards in hand to discard, except for loam and you have none main deck so if u cant cast wish you lose, boros and counters will give this alot of trouble. but good luck

MassOass

Eldar · Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 340 Location: Rochester

I think he means cut an obliterate main deck for a pernicious deed main deck to search for with renewal.

Antilles · Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 10

twndomn · Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 8

That list isn't tier 1 and it's obsoleted.

Andre Mueller
Pro Tour-Valencia 2nd place

3 Sulfur Vent
4 Ancient Spring
3 Flooded Strand
1 Godless Shrine
1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
1 Plains
3 Sacred Foundry
4 Tinder Farm
3 Windswept Heath

4 Lotus Bloom
4 Pentad Prism
4 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Honden of Seeing Winds
2 Dovescape
1 Pernicious Deed
4 Burning Wish
3 Form of the Dragon
4 Seething Song
3 Enduring Ideal
4 Orim's Chant
3 Solitary Confinement

SB:
3 Tormod's Crypt
1 Cranial Extraction
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Vindicate
1 Pyroclasm
1 Enduring Ideal
1 Morningtide
3 Boseiju, Who Shelters All

Amaterasu · Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 70

Ideal...is the most hate-resistant combo deck ever! It's objectives are to
1) Stay alive
2) Resolve Enduring Ideal...
that's it...once Enduring Ideal resolves, in almost every case, the game is over. You can the Ideal pilot (lol) discard his entire hand...but the second she/he topdecks an ideal, GAME OVER!...frankly, I like the deck 'cause of its resistance to hate...but I've never played it, to be honest nor do I intend to 'cause I have 2 other decks that I adore...I don't need another...

plowman · Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 9

[quote="twndomn"]That list isn't tier 1 and it's obsoleted.

can you back that up?

lennin · Guest

ya tings isnt good, qnd y would u play wall of roots and sakura when u dont need to and it just slows u down and messes up ur mana base.

Questar · Joined: 30 May 2007 Posts: 54

Would Ideal just lose to a turn 2 Gaddock Teeg?

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 457

Burning Wish > Pyroclasm

Lightning Helix in some builds.

Questar · Joined: 30 May 2007 Posts: 54

tricky. Yeah that deck seems great, and cheap too! Well, since my roommate has 4 chants already that is.

MiguelG · Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 2

I won a recent trial with this list:

http://www.germagic.de/dc/deck.php?id=11596

' Ideal ' by MiguelG

instant [8]
4 Orim's Chant
4 Seething Song
sorcery [7]
4 Burning Wish
3 Enduring Ideal
enchantment [10]
2 Dovescape
3 Form of the Dragon
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Phyrexian Arena
3 Solitary Confinement
artifact [12]
4 Lotus Bloom
4 Pentad Prism
4 Sensei's Divining Top
land [23]
4 Ancient Spring
3 Flooded Strand
1 Godless Shrine
1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
1 Plains
3 Sacred Foundry
3 Sulfur Vent
4 Tinder Farm
3 Windswept Heath

Sideboard:
1 Enduring Ideal
3 Thoughtseize
4 Ghostly Prison
3 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1 Morningtide
1 Pyroclasm
1 Vindicate
1 Decree of Silence

twndomn · Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 8

>> can you back that up?

Gerrardfo didn't get 2nd in PT Valencia. Andre Mueller did.

>> Would Ideal just lose to a turn 2 Gaddock Teeg?

1) Burning wish -> pyroclasm
2) Hard-cast pernicious deed.

lizardgod · Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 31

ideal is super resistant but as shown at world stifle and any counter can stop it even after it is cast, but it is still a good deck.