B/g/w Control

thranarama · Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 203

I have been having a lot of fun with this deck so far, it has been doing pretty well whenever i play with it, but i always like to hear suggestions as far as making my deck better. So here's a list, and please don't tell me something beats me or to change to another deck without giving me very distinct reasons. anyway, here's the list:

7 Swamp
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Godless Shrine
1 Windswept Heath
3 Bloodstained Mire
4 Polluted Delta
3 Cabal Coffers
3 Pithing Needle
2 Mortify
1 Staff of Domination
1 Cranial Extraction
2 Decree of Justice
2 Vindicate
4 Pernicious Deed
3 Consume Spirit
2 Helldozer
4 Chainer's Edict
4 Duress
3 Phyrexian Arena
3 Putrefy
SB: 3 Loxodon Hierarch
SB: 4 Leyline of the Void
SB: 2 Cranial Extraction
SB: 3 Moment's Peace
SB: 3 Krosan Grip

A lot of people may be surprised to see Helldozer played over Kokusho in a mostly black control deck, but i've drawn concessions from untapping with a Helldozer, not so with Kokusho. The ability to blow up lands and still swing for 6 is amazing. The lack of Mutilate is the other big thing, and if you can show me what Mutilate adds to the deck without taking away its game vs control, i'll consider adding it. anyway, Thanks!

Taoofss · Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 312

the ability to swing for 5, drop a 2nd kokusho and make them take 15 > blow up 2 lands and swing for 6.

Hiliadan · Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Posts: 1

At first sight, your deck seems to be a bunch of, good, ok I agree, cards without real links betwen them.
Helldozer needs lots of mana and you play Cabal Coffers, it seems coherent but you play 3 Cabal Coffers and not 4, why ?

4 Duress, 0 Cabal Therapy ?

Loxodon Hierarch in side ? Why ? against which deck ? and what card do you side out for him ?

I'll put Pernicious Deed in sideboard.

Why the hell do you play Decree of Justice ? Choose betwen Consume Spirit and Decree of Justice !

Staff of Domination ? for Helldozer ? I don't think 1 Staff is very useful.

I'll take 4 Vindicate, 3 Helldozer...

Have you tested it on a Extended Trial ?

nephilim207 · Joined: 24 Sep 2006 Posts: 161

Ok, this is my version of BGW control that I am making while I am typing this:

Creatures:
4 Kokusho, the Evening Star
3 Loxodon Hierarch
Other Stff (too lazy to sort it out right now Confused

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3 Infest
4 Vindicate
4 Duress
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Gerrard's Verdict
4 Wrath of God
3 Putrefy
3 Mortify
2 Pernicious Deed
Lands:
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Godless Shrine
4 Windswept Heap
2 Ghost Quarter
4 Swamp
3 Plains
2 Forest

I think that's 60 cards...

thranarama · Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 203

Hierarchs are in the board vs. very heavy aggro decks like BDW. But because the extended metagame is very much control i do not think that it is needed in the maindeck. The reason i run only 3 cabal coffers is if my deck goes into the late game like it is supposed to do i am bound to draw at least one. The use of Decree in addition to Consume Spirit is so that i have threat diversity as well as an uncounterable threat for them to worry about. It is also a little bit unexpected considering the deck is mainly black. The whole point of the deck is to abuse coffers for the sake of fun so the version that you posted nephilim is not really what i'm looking for. I've toyed around with versions that run more discard, but i believe that board control is a lot more black's strength and as such i don't need discard other than duress. I don't get only having 2 Pernicious Deeds because coupled with other removal it forces them to either overcommit to the board. Staff of Domination is amazing as a silver bullet card. I don't want to necessarily draw it every game, but when i do, it is usually mid-late game and i can do some silly stuff using it and coffers to gain life/draw cards/tap guys. I don't mean to say your oppinions don't matter, and i will consider the suggestions, but this is my view as of right now.

DESTRUCTOR · Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 117

soo you say that hirarch is in sb because aggro is not played i agree but them you say that you focus on board control and dont need discard...wtf? board control against control is betther than discard effects?

board control is against aggro decks....and discard are great against control....get that?

thranarama · Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 203

I'm testing with cabal therapy in for pithing needle, i'm hoping that i can nail the cards that i have trouble with out of my opponents hand now before they become trouble for me. also, krosan grip out of the sideboard has been really good so far, we'll see how it works in the future.