Balance and Ancestral Visions issues..

uberman · Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 101

Lets say my restore balance and ancestral visions go off simultaneously, do I draw the cards from visions before the restore balance resolves? or do I do the balance then draw the cards? Depending on which one happens, its a very big deal for my w/u keeper deck, because if I have 2 cards, and they have say 4, I drop them to 2, draw 3, then draw for my phase and have an insane 6 vs 2 card advantage. If its the other way, and I still got 2 cards in hand, I draw 3 and have to drop 1 (cuz he has 4) which essentially wastes the AV. Anyone got an answer for this?

Also I need to verify that 0 is an acceptable lowest total for balance purposes. I had no creatures and my opponent had 2, and he claimed he could keep 1 after balance since 0 doesn't count. I always figured if you have 0 land, 0 cards in hand, or 0 creatures, your opponent must also have 0 after it resolves.

Much thanks for any help.

CrippleFight · Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 65

you choose the order in which the triggers resolve, so yes you can get the redic card advantage.

And yes zero is a number, he goes to a blank board. This tactic was used back in the day when the original balance was around to fix a loosing fight all too often.

uberman · Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 101

awesomely quick response! I am gonna build around this since counters, control, and that kind of card advantage was what made the old keeper so nasty.

And if I can ask one more, an opponent can counter a suspended spell coming into play as if it were any other spell correct?

CrippleFight · Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 65

yep, they can be countered just like any other spell because when the final counter is removed it says you may PLAY this spell w/out paying its cost.

Other little notes regarding suspend:
Teferi makes your opponents suspend spells stay removed permanantly if he is in play when the last counter is remvoed.
And if done properly a split second spell can act as a counter versus a suspend spell.

FoxBat · Joined: 18 Oct 2006 Posts: 13

CrippleFight · Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 65

I was refering to the kracken incident actually.

Maelstrom21 · Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 2 Location: Running ar

Just to clarify CrippleFight's comment, here are some tricks you can do with split second cards vs suspend ones.

#1: If Deep-Sea Kraken is suspended with 1 counter left, you can play a split second spell to keep it removed from the game.

#2: Stonewood Invocation on targeting suspend spells like Phthsis, though that's a pretty no-brainer.

#3: Trickbind the suspend card as the last counter is removed and it triggers.

Note that #1 works since you played a split second card 'under' the Kraken on the stack. Since nothing can be 'above' a split second card on the stack, the Kraken sits removed from the game. However, you CAN NOT do this in any other case, since normal suspend cards will trigger well before you can try to slip a split second card 'under' it.