Hamachi vs Flips

cannabis · Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 40

hawkeye, please don't flame appr if you don't know wtf you are talking about.
thx
-cannabis

hawkeye1542 · Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 197

lol cannabis....telling me not to flame while just giving a random accusation....sounds pretty hypocritcal to me

nico · Administrator Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 823

At this moment we got at least 17% of our users that is not able to run hamachi (and there are other os's besiedes win98, like linux). Also If you consider apprentice buggy, you want to add another layer of buggy programmin? I'd say that that is a no go.

Greetz Nico

DoItFaster · Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 1129 Location: California

I guess you couldnt truly require Hamachi unless ML became a paying membership league.

hawkeye1542 · Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 197

well...anyone running linux is generally running it concurrently with windows if it is a home computer. And I don't know where u get the fact that hamachi is buggy b/c i have niether seen, heard of, or experienced any problems with it thus far. But if you guys in the league want to continue to be gay and pretend to be running meaningful tournaments when in reality a large portion of the results are being reported through flips (aka random chance) then fine. Just be aware that you can't have meaning in tournaments where skill isn't the determining factor. But go ahead and continue on your righteous indignation in the face of the majority opinion of the league members. Nico, on the whole I have found your posts and ideas to be a benefit to the league, but here I find that you are not using reason.

nico · Administrator Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 823

I think 17% of our users agree fully with me. Also, on the linux users, most people that I know hta use linux, use linux only.
If they use windows and linux, then most of the time the windows is running, so I don't consider them to be linux users.
The bugs, I don't know of, it is just what I hear. I happen to be in the position that I am able to manipulate my wall and also my router.

Greetz Nico

swfett · Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 26

Hamachi needs to be required to play in Minis. ESPECIALLY Sealed Deck Minis. Its so damn frustrating to get your draft, build your deck, and then the guy you're playing first round wants to flip and refuses to try to dl hamachi. Or even better, the guy you're facing in the final round for the win has to flip. (happened to me twice)

What the hell is the point of playing in a mini if you just want to flip your way to the top?! Its complete BS and uncalled for. Something needs to be done about that because its entirely unfair.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE HAMACHI STAY OUT OF MINI'S!!!

LoneWulf · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 155

Trotsky1 · Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 800

I think this pole clearly shows that the majorty of ml's playing experince is being hampered by ppl who are either unable to run hamachi, that is the very few, or ppl who are more confident in there ability to flip a coin than actually play magic.

Losing too that second type of person is beyond infurating. Hamachi should be essential.

hawkeye1542 · Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 197

lonewulf...come off it

If you can't handle someone telling you on the internet when you are wrong then i think you're the one with a problem.

I'm trying to tell you that MWS is essentially the same in it's gameplay features as appr it just has some more advanced pieces that you don't even have to use if you don't want to.

and for your information yes, i would have the balls to say this to your face. If you're going to play mtg then you'd better get used to belligerent arrogant pricks b/c that's the clientele at magic tournaments. I'm not trying to be mean or flame, but you do need to stop being ignorant and take information when you can get it.

BL · Joined: 21 Oct 2004 Posts: 5

Lonewulf: Hawkeye isn't flaming. A flamer is a person who disagrees flamboyantly(greater than himself) for the heck of it, for no good reason. Just to flame.

The fact is that he is absolutely right. Mws is operating exactly like apprentice. Only that it is not primitive like app is. There are a lot more options(if u want them) that let you play the game how it is supposed to be played(online ofc). Die-hard apprentice users will be so surpised to see those options. It is called evolution. But the core is still the same. You can still target a permanent by dragging the card to its head if u want to... but now you can actually point a friggin arrow at it to make things simpler and easier... Is it so difficult to spend 5 mins to learn simple stuff? Perhaps it isn't laziness, it is sth else. Perhaps you get overwhelmed by the vastness and complexity of mws, that you give up and say: "wow, that was hard" and open app.

i wanted to write the following in caps, but it is not very appropriate:

Why does apprentice still exist??

And why 3/4 minis are on app? Maybe u like primitive applications. They remind you of the *blink* *blinks* when you where young. Sure we are creatures of habit, and old habits die hard, but when are we supposed to move on? Is it going to be forever? Ofc not. When VR becomes widespread, we will finally start to use mws..

Dragon_Lady · Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 225

nico · Administrator Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 823

Koen · Administrator Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 338

Indeed, too many people can't run Hamachi to warrant requiring it. We'd be excluding too many people.

If you don't like flipping, you can play Magic Workstation. If you somehow aren't able to run that: voila, the reason we don't require Hamachi.

Based on the many protests against Magic Workstation, we won't force programs to be used.

Also: Player turnouts and judge preferences (no judge = no tourney) decide the play application. Not polls or heated discussions on this forum.

Laplie · League Staff Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 547

Hamachi is a far from complete program. While it works for many, for some it does not, and for a small few, it creates problems. Hamachi changes network setting and also changes a few drivers. For some people this causes system instability and continuous crashes. I know of one person who had to reinstall XP because of hamachi.

Also, there is the fact that Hamachi doesn't always guarentee that 2 people connect.

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The root of the problem is WALLED PEOPLE. There are very few reasons that a person should be walled. The first is if you're in a situation that you can't help (college campus, corporate environment, army). Otherwise, www.portforward.com. At least 50% of you walled people can unwall yourselves. Router configuration is actually not that hard. And if you can't figure it out yourself, most broadband providers have a support service. Call them up (its grownup time now), and ask. They will tell you what to do, and in the future, you won't mind if your opponent has hamachi or not, cause you'll be able to host without a VPN client.