WBR Control

Knightsharky · Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 5

I've played this deck at a couple FNMs and done decently, the only deck so far beating me with any consistancy is UG Graft/aggro-control. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Lands: 23
1 plains
4 Godless Shrine
4 Blood Crypt
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Caves of Koilos
2 Battlefield Forge
3 Orzhov Basilica
1 Miren the Moaning Well

Signets: 6
4 Orzhov Signet
2 Boros Signet

Creatures: 8
4 Firemane Angel
3 Angel of Despair
1 Kagemaro, First to Suffer

Enchantments: 7
1 Debtors Knell
3 Phryexian Arena
3 Faith's Fetters

Hand Disruption:6
4 Castigate
2 Persecute

Other Spells: 10
4 Wrath of God
4 Mortify
2 Demonfire

Sideboard: 15
4 Orzhov Pontiff
4 Giant Solifuge
2 Persecute
2 Sieze the Soul
3 Sacred Ground

I want to add Lightning Helix (probably in side) b/c i think it would help vs. UG aggro control/Graft, but I'm not sure how I'd change anything to make room.

I heard of similar decks from friends, but this is different from all if them in certian aspects. If I stole the idea or missed a thread on this I apologize.

I don't have much trouble (surpisingly) against control though i think it's probably a combination of castigate/persecute/angel/debtors knell/arena... and the only aggro deck that's given me trouble is UG Aggro-Control/Graft.

Any suggestions, opinions, and comments are appreciated and will be considered. Good luck and best wishes to everyone at magic.

Sandler · Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 180

condem :/

DRINKALCOHOL · Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 265 Location: New Gunsqu

Hmmmm....

The ONLY aggro deck that gives you problems is UG GRAFT?

Interesting.

I don't think it has enough swing power.

Plus Shard Phoenix is super cool, and it's not in your deck.

Skellum · Joined: 11 Nov 2004 Posts: 48

Knightsharky · Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 5

Yeah... I tested shard pheonix and there just isn't enough red sources to run him...I have been thinking about a replacement for Kagemaro and knell is probably a top contender
the reason that UG Graft is such a problem is that they run untargetable creatures (Kodama of the north tree, Giant Solifuge, and Plaxcaster Frogling) AND counters...plus, i thought the helix might help against the aggro by killing creatures and buying time with a little life gain.
the meta I play in involves scrying sheets, vitu ghazis, jittes and such and they are the main targets for my fetters, i'm trying not to invest in any more kamigawa and to prepare for post rotation, so they are needed in my meta right now
i think it's funny cause i played with hide/seek too, but I eventually went with castigate b/c it helps more against the counter battle and hits threats they're holding back or stuff like summons

thanks for replys and keep them coming

Russell_Nash · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 673 Location: Burn Ward

I made a deck JUST like that about a month ago, maybe you could get some ideas from my build:
// Lands
3 Plains
4 Swamp
4 Blood Crypt
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Godless Shrine
4 Sacred Foundry
// Creatures
3 Angel of Despair
4 Firemane Angel
// Enchantments
2 Debtors' Knell
4 Faith's Fetters
4 Phyrexian Arena
// Spells
4 Lightning Helix
4 Mortify
2 Persecute
4 Wrath of God
// Artifacts
2 Boros Signet
4 Orzhov Signet
// Sideboard
SB: 4 Bottled Cloister
SB: 3 Cranial Extraction
SB: 4 Defense Grid
SB: 3 Hide/Seek
SB: 1 Persecute

I really like it. it runs well against aggro and control, the only real problem is combo

kfcman1084 · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 434

Skellum · Joined: 11 Nov 2004 Posts: 48

^^ yea guess your right i mean i really havn't tested at all since coldsnap was legal but if your fettering vitu ghazi then don't htey have bounce lands to just get the vitu back to their hand and online the next turn...plus i just think that the fetters are to slow but thats prolly biased since i used it in a UWr build and needed counter mana open and didn't want to cast it on turn 4

@Knightsharky
yea the hide//seeks are really preferance but i like it since it stops control drawing a threat and gains you life and is also the only TRUE disenchant effect...at one stage i had 4 castigates and 3 hide//seeks...computer got wrecked when i loaded apprentice back on forgot the castigates added condems...guess it's a meta call wether you make it anti aggro or anti control

ezcomp · Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Posts: 29

bud i hate to tell you this but your always gonna run into counters and untargetable and unfortunately boseiju is not an option for you, your best bet is just gonna be to run cheaper removal like everyones been saying; the things i would do is to dump some or all, of your solifuges and discard power in favor the less color intensive removal spells; there is volcanic hammer and last gasp, lightning helix is a good option but you said your mana base is a little shaky and i know you said you wanted to get away from kamigawa but there is no sense denying yourself options until you have too; sure prepare for post kamigawa but dont deny yourself it while you have it to use; so that brings in the best anti dragon weapon once they actually hit the board reciprocate i love this card i also like condemn but reciprocate also works for better for the dragons. anyway thats my 2 sense worth prolly aint worth that much being as im just aggreeing with everyone else but hey o well. later information superhighways guys.