Treshold question

Guest · Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: Treshold question

Let's see:
i have a werebear in play and 6 cards in my graveyard. if i cast pyroclasm, when it resolves it makes 2 damage to the werebear and the pyroclasm goes to graveyard, so threshold is active and werebear becomes a 4/4 as treshold is a state-based efect, so it keeps alive or dies?

if he dies, what would happen if i have 2 werebears, the second one keeps alive while the first one dies?

thanks for ur help

AlexTrebek · Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 140

pyroclasm has to resolve before it goes to the graveyard and deals the damage to everything at the same time so in both situations, no werebear will live.h

kikimikejiki · Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 649

werebear lives much like if u wildfire with a 4/4 mag the state based effects check whenever a player gets priority so when they check it sees u have threshold and both bears will live and if u have just one itll live

Guest · Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:07 am Post subject:

Alex is wrong, the pyroclasm is being recognized as going to the graveyard and threshold becomes active before the spell resolves. so it lives.

Guest · Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:08 am Post subject:

sorry that last post was me i thought i was signed in.

Goji · Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 102

yet again the last 2 posts was me it was being gay 2 me.. i wish theyd turn off guests being aloud in here lol... but yea the threshold becomes active soon as it recognizes pyroclasm is on the stack.

super-gecko · Joined: 25 Feb 2006 Posts: 45

You got the end result right, but put slightly wrong. The spell resolves, during the resolution the card goes to the graveyard. Threshold becomes active, then state-based-effects kick in, like checkin for lethal damage. Our druid lives.

Synch- · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 79

threshold and magnivore don't use a trigger so they get pumped before the spell resolves, vulturous zombie however does use a trigger so a 4/4 zombie will die to wildfire regardless of how many creatures go into the opponent's graveyard because of wildfire.

Guest, lol · Guest

This is Lackeos, in case the forum says I'm a guest.

Anyways, Synch and Danny are mistaken. The card doesn't go to the graveyard until the end of the resolution (i.e., you can Circular Logic for zero, because the card doesn't count itself, because it doesn't go to the graveyard until the end of the resolution). Also, the Werebear(s) don't get buried due to state-based effects (damage > toughness) until the end of the resolution. Both state-based effects will take effect simultaneously and the bears will survive.

Shyft- · Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 100 Location: Your Mom

To give a more concise answer to this, State-Based effects are only checked whenever a player would receive priority. The threshold ability on werebear is a static ability with a continuous effect, and rechecks continuously to see whether its conditions are met. That static effect and the continuous effect given by it (the p/t modifier) go into effect before state-based effects are checked, so the state-based effect of lethal damage never occurs, since the werebear does not ever see itself as a 1/1 with 2 damage (only as a 1/1, then as a 4/4 with 2 damage).

Zheaman · Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Posts: 9

this guest was me, forgot to sign in before posting.
Thanks everyone for ur support, and hi everyone, this is my first post here. Hope i could help everyone as much as u have helped me.