Another tough question about stack priority....

Guest · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject:

I'm pretty sure that:

a) The Mortify triggers the flip, and provided nothing is done in response, Eyaro flips; then,

b) The Mortify is the next thing on the stack, and goes to resolve. It resolves because the Mortify was already on the stack, before the triggered ability of the newly flipped Eyaro would see it.

Put another way: Eyaro missed its opportunity to counter the Mortify its ability's trigger never saw its event.

*rickiep00h*

kendiggy · Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 366 Location: not here

I have seen only two correct responses to this post. If anyone here plays on modo, they would know what I am about to say to be correct.

First of all, the player playing the mortify did not have priority to play it. Second, if Erayo is the third spell of the turn, you cast it, pass priority then your opponent passes priority, erayo resolves and is a 1/1 creature then you play your bauble again, Erayo flips while bauble is on the stack and there is no trigger to respond to. Any attempt by the opponent to respond to the bauble by mortifying erayo's essense will be countered as long as it is the first spell played by him that turn.

If you don't believe me, go to #judges4you and ask or check the comprehensive rule book.

Guest · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:11 pm Post subject:

This thread amuses me greatly, everyone seems to have an answer, though no one seems to agree, and everyone falls back on "ask a judge if you don't believe me" to validate their opinion. I guess I'll throw in my 2 cents, for all the good it'll do.
Most people thus far have said that the person with Mortify didn't have the right to play mortify because they didn't have priority, which is correct. However, Erayo's ability is a triggered ability, abilities that begin with When, Whenever, or At, are triggered abilities, see Comp Rules 404. Thus the smart play (from the person with Mortifys standpoint, would be to let the bauble go on the stack, let the trigger go on the stack above it, then just Mortify Erayo before he flips. If the person with Erayo doesn't play the bauble, the person tries to mortify erayo casts mortify targeting erayo, then erayo triggers, if no one has a response then erayo flips and doesn't counter the mortify since he 'missed his chance' i.e. mortify is already on the stack and erayo only counters things as they're being played. Mortify wouldn't kill the essence though, as it's not the same as the first target for the mortify.

kendiggy · Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 366 Location: not here

Alright, I stand corrected.

I have poured over the comprehensive rule book for over an hour now looking for the correct answer. And I pissed off a good friend who suprisingly stopped by who usually never stops by all because I was too busy looking for a "magic ruling." So I hope you all appreciate this, lol.

Triggered Ability:

404.1 - A triggered ability begins with the word "when," "whenever," or "at." The phrase containing one of these words is the trigger condition, which defines the trigger event.

410.2 - Whenever a game event or game state matches a triggered ability's trigger event, that ability triggers. When a phase or step begins, all abilities that trigger "at the beginning of" that phase or step trigger. The ability doesn't do anything when it triggers but automatically puts the ability on the stack as soon as a player would receive priority. The ability is controlled by the player who controlled its source at the time it triggered. It has the text of the ability that created it, and no other characteristics.

410.10 - Trigger events that involve objects changing zones are called "zone-change triggers." Many abilities with zone-change triggers attempt to do something to that object after it changes zones. During resolution, these abilities look for the object in the zone that it moved to. If the object is unable to be found in the zone it went to, the part of the ability attempting to do something to the object will fail to do anything. The ability could be unable to find the object because the object never entered the specified zone, because it left the zone before the ability resolved, or because it is in a zone that is hidden from a player, such as a library or an opponent's hand. (This rule applies even if the object leaves the zone and returns again before the ability resolves.) The most common types of zone-change triggers are comes-into-play triggers and leaves-play triggers.

Okay, so, what have we learned from this? - Two things:

1. Erayo's flip ability is a triggered ability that uses the stack and the opponent does receive priority before it resolves.

2. If the order of events happened as you say, Erayo being the third spell and bauble being the fourth, Erayo would trigger, go on the stack after the bauble goes on the stack, then the Mortify player would recieve priority while Erayo is still a creature. He would be able to play Mortify targetting Erayo, then Mortify would resolve, destroying Erayo. Erayo would then not flip, simply because he is not in play anymore.

All this is true only if I haven't read the rules wrong. Rolling Eyes

Now, lemme get back to my friend.

sonicqaz · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 338

So what we all learned was, that I was right and you should listen to me from the beginning....

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Guest · Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:37 am Post subject:

The reason that Mortify fizzles is because the target changed. You have to remember that when a card is flipped, it is no longer the same target. When you name a target, you don't just point and say "that" you are supposed to name your target. When the card flips, it has a new name, therefore it is a new target, and Mortify fizzles because it's target is gone.

sonicqaz · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 338

Forgot to sign in, the message above is mine.

Guest · Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:11 am Post subject:

wow you guys are GENIUS

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