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bertu
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
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 Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Sylvain's deck is problably worse than the average Boros deck, but despite the random 1-ofs and awkward card choices the overall deck makes sense to me.
I figured he used so many 1-ofs to confuse people. His deck is completely different from the metagame staples, and him being former national champion draws some atention. So when someone saw the 1 Nagao in play and scouting spreaded the news, his future opponents would play around it all game, because they wouldn't know it was a single, leading to questionable plays. This is more relevant regarding his sideboard choices.
Don't take me wrong, the deck is awful and all, I am just trying to understand him when he made the deck.
Now, the other 3 UW decks... those are complete puzzles. I mean, really... Drowned Rusalka?
I figured the Wayfarers were there to fetch the legendary lands and use them as Wastelands, but then I noticed they didnt have Oboro. Fetching Quicksand and Ghost Quarter are still okay, but I am not sure this enough to justify their inclusion.
Man... Drowned Rusalka. : / |
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TD
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| One thing worth noting about the Wayfarers is that they're very good anti-vore; maybe that's what they are there for? |
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thinktank
Joined: 14 May 2005
Posts: 129
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| No offense but how ignorant would you have to be to call these lists unplayable....they're obsly playable considering they T8ed at a nationals. besides why are we criticising decks that pros ( who are almost likely better than us ) made and more from it won, maybe skill comes from the fact that you not only have the ability to play well but also build well. Also it does not necessarily take more skill to play control or combo then it does to play aggro.... thats a pretty bland statement. All im saying is dont criticize things that are prooven to work.... I for one am gonna test these and see which ones i like ... keep an open mind people.... |
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sonicqaz
Joined: 02 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Well I did test these and I found out one thing....THEY LOSE TO OTHER AGGRO.
I don't know why they won. They seem to be better against control than other aggro decks, but Zoo seems to be good enough to deal with control, and be able to handle these decks a lot better as well. Also, WW/r seems better, especially in testing, than this did. I don't know how this is what France thought was the best they could produce, maybe there meta dictated something different from ours? I have no clue.... |
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Skellum
Joined: 11 Nov 2004
Posts: 48
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I figured he used so many 1-ofs to confuse people. His deck is completely different from the metagame staples, and him being former national champion draws some atention. So when someone saw the 1 Nagao in play and scouting spreaded the news, his future opponents would play around it all game, because they wouldn't know it was a single, leading to questionable plays. This is more relevant regarding his sideboard choices.
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Uh how and why would you play aroung nagao when it's not in play? |
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freddy
Joined: 15 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| sonicqaz wrote: | Well I did test these and I found out one thing....THEY LOSE TO OTHER AGGRO.
I don't know why they won. They seem to be better against control than other aggro decks, but Zoo seems to be good enough to deal with control, and be able to handle these decks a lot better as well. Also, WW/r seems better, especially in testing, than this did. I don't know how this is what France thought was the best they could produce, maybe there meta dictated something different from ours? I have no clue.... |
maybe its the play style, maybe you have to know what you are doing with the deck before you can win with it. like when my friend pulled a random deck out of his box for someone to join multiplayer, and only too late did we realize that the kid was playing enduring ideal, with hardly any idea what he was doing, hard casting zur's weirding.
sure, these look simpler than ideal, but maybe they are secretly complicated. |
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XonE
Joined: 04 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| These decks are crap. |
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sgtpepper87
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| man, when i first say the lists i wondered if this is a joke. 4 of the 8 lists are soo crappy.... |
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sonicqaz
Joined: 02 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| freddy wrote: | | sonicqaz wrote: | Well I did test these and I found out one thing....THEY LOSE TO OTHER AGGRO.
I don't know why they won. They seem to be better against control than other aggro decks, but Zoo seems to be good enough to deal with control, and be able to handle these decks a lot better as well. Also, WW/r seems better, especially in testing, than this did. I don't know how this is what France thought was the best they could produce, maybe there meta dictated something different from ours? I have no clue.... |
maybe its the play style, maybe you have to know what you are doing with the deck before you can win with it. like when my friend pulled a random deck out of his box for someone to join multiplayer, and only too late did we realize that the kid was playing enduring ideal, with hardly any idea what he was doing, hard casting zur's weirding.
sure, these look simpler than ideal, but maybe they are secretly complicated. |
There isn't anything complicated in these decks..the tricks are minimal. I have had a winning record with these decks, but overall I have found so far that the matches I won, I probably would have won with Zoo anyways, and some matches I lost, Zoo would have been tougher for them.
The reason I would consider playing this deck is because you just don't get mana screwed. It is very consistent, but the power was reduced to increase consistency.
I always thought power was better than consitency in big tournaments because of the sheer amount of people playing. I would think that you would have to get lucky and have your hands play out powerfully to win. Sure one mana screwed game and you could be out, but if you played against the power deck, and it curves out, they should beat you. How that didn't happen here, I don't know yet. I never said these were bad decks, just that other choices seem better, but I think these decks won on consistency. |
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bertu
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| Skellum wrote: |
Uh how and why would you play aroung nagao when it's not in play? |
For instance, you could antecipate a shoal for 4, you could choose differently what creature to burn (samurai or not), you could decide not to Helix a 2/2 and hold removal for Nagao, you can calculate your attacks differently ("if I atack now, and he atacks back and plays Nagao I will be too low on life to resist").
That's what could players do: they antecipate things and plan accordingly.
Still, Nagao was just an example, and as I said the 1-of choices are more relevant for the sideboard possibilities. I am not sure that this is the reason why the deck is "weird", its just a guess. |
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sonicqaz
Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 338
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:01 am Post subject: |
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More playtesting has shown that the one friggin Infantry Veteran is useless. I think that might be in there to throw people off. Who expects to see an Infantry Veteran, and if they do see it, they are probably going to think you arent a good player.
I would take it out for another Nagao. Nagao is clutch in this deck. The synergy with him, and Anthem, and Tails is amazing. |
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tato-
Joined: 22 Oct 2005
Posts: 126
Location: Colombia
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Wojek Siren-crap
Opal-Eye, Konda's Yojimbo-crap
Nagao, Bound by Honor-crap
Infantry Veteran-omfg crap!
how did this WW owns this???!!!
where is Throne? Dove-Chord? Gruul?!!!? Critical Mass??! |
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sonicqaz
Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 338
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Opal Eyes isnt bad, and is sided in for a few matchups. I dont hate drawing him.
Nagao in this deck is real good, that's just wrong on your part.
The other two, though, I wont argue about. I haven't found good uses for either. One time I saved my creatures from Pyroclasm with a Siren, but still, bad times all the way around. |
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