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bialy0021
Joined: 28 Jun 2006
Posts: 2
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 Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: MBrC |
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i would like you to present deck i've been playing a while (well, actually i've played it before rotation, with different build of course...) and is doing quite well lately...
this is basically a mbc with splash of R for burning wish mainly and some other fun stuff...
although R splash doesn't gives us answers for enchantments i prefer it from W or G because of wish, which is playing a role as a tutor for silver bullets or quickly giving us answer that we needed...
that's how it looks today...
creatures:
3 Withered Wretch
3 Solemn Simulacrum
draw engine & tutors:
4 Phyrexian Arena
3 Burning Wish
2 Shred Memory
1 Diabolic Tutor
hand disruption:
4 Duress
3 Cabal Therapy
drain:
2 Corrupt
1 Consume Spirit
removal:
3 [Mutilate
1 Oblivion Stone
3 Terminate
3 Chainer's Edict
mana base:
2 Cabal Coffers
4 Blood Crypt
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Mountain
12 Swamp
1 Blinkmoth Well
sideboard:
SB: 2 Consume Spirit
SB: 1 Corrupt
SB: 1 Shattering Spree
SB: 1 Mutilate
SB: 1 Cabal Therapy
SB: 1 Decree of Pain
SB: 1 Chainer's Edict
SB: 1 Cranial Extraction
SB: 1 Haunting Echoes
SB: 1 Recoup
SB: 1 Oblivion Stone
SB: 3 Overload
mbc is not a good deck lately but as i said this version is doing quite well... it has aggresive hand disruption, great draw engine (in most cases phyrexian arena gives you card advantage not many decks can stand), a lot of removal spells, grave hate and not bad win condition with either creatures or drain (main win condition)... all this is supported by wish which can give us card that we need (recoup is a great card, it's not of course yawgmoth's will but...  )...
it has a pretty good matchup with all kinds of psychatogs, rocks or aggro decks (with few excetpions), no-stick thanks to the overload and blinkmoth well is not as hard as it was (scepter + chant doesn't now mean gg), it's actually a lot easier, cal also (wretch etc.), with balancing act - that is (or maybe i should say was?) one of the worst matchups - if we will play wisely we also have a quite big chances of winning...
the deck has problems with really fast deck with lots of burn spells, such as boros, aggro cal or zoo (especially zoo, thanks to tribal flames), but even with them (ok, with zoo it's really hard  ) it can win... friggorid? wretch kills it and even when we loose him we can always play haunting echoes or cranial, it's not so bad...
but don't think that i'm saying that this deck is great etc.
i'm far from placing it in tier 1 or even 2...
you have to play it for some time and then you'll see that although it may not look to good (it's still mbc... mbc is a crap deck ) it's not so bad either and in my opinion it has chances with most (if not all) decks in format... |
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sephiroth667
Joined: 20 Jan 2006
Posts: 74
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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By splashing red you single handedly eliminated MBC's most deadly cards.
Where's the Undead Gladiators? Visara? How do you win? Pray you draw your one good drainer, or both of your measly ones? Maybe you put them on a 20 turn clock with your Withered Wretch. Sure, some deadly cards can be fetched with Wish, But once you've used your first what are your chances of surviving until your next threat? Hand Disruption helps, but that won't help you much against much decks outside of combo.
I don't mean to hate, I'm not one do that, but this deck needs serious work. What does the Simulacrum do besides fetch and allow drawing? He should be replaced by threats. Shred can tutor, but they really have no use outside of that. MBC (with or without the red) relies on threats to be good. Visara is needed. Not only that, but the Wish has messed your board up, what happens when you need more than one of a card? I would try my suggestions at least, and see what you think of them. |
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bialy0021
Joined: 28 Jun 2006
Posts: 2
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| sephiroth667 wrote: | | Where's the Undead Gladiators? Visara? How do you win? Pray you draw your one good drainer, or both of your measly ones? |
have you ever played this deck? i suppose not... then how do you know that i have to 'pray' to draw one of my drain?
this decka has really good control and you don't have to kill fast... mbc is not an aggro deck, it's control and it always was slow...
and if by MBC's most deadly cards you mean visara or gladiator then you really don't have any idea what you're talking about, you're think that those cards will speed up this deck? you deny solemn? he gives us acceleration, not much but still, and card advantage...
visara is simply 5/5 flying creature for 6 with ability that we don't need, if i would had to put creature with that cc i would prefer kokusho although he's also not as good imo...
gladiator? what for? we have enough creatures for our therapies and he does nothing... he returns? so what? we do not need that kind of chump blocker (losing card for blocking 1 creature for 1 turn... i rather not) since wretch has great ability and solemn, see above...
| sephiroth667 wrote: | | Maybe you put them on a 20 turn clock with your Withered Wretch. Sure, some deadly cards can be fetched with Wish, But once you've used your first what are your chances of surviving until your next threat? Hand Disruption helps, but that won't help you much against much decks outside of combo. |
e?
4x phyrexian arena = card advantage = many options of dealing with threats... as i said you're not the one who needs to win the game quickly, the longer you play the better is your situation, simple as that...
and if you didn't noticed you have also removal spells so it's not that hard to play for a long enough to draw wish/tutor/shred/consume because with wish you can get recoup which means 1 corrupt = 2 corrupts etc. or simply get consume...
| sephiroth667 wrote: | | I don't mean to hate, I'm not one do that, but this deck needs serious work. |
and i don't mean to be ungrateful but seriously, play this deck at least few times before you'll comment it again 'cause you're just wrong, probably because you have wrong view on MBC which is control deck and do not have to be aggresive, it has to have control and it can win in mid/late game...
| sephiroth667 wrote: | | What does the Simulacrum do besides fetch and allow drawing? He should be replaced by threats. Shred can tutor, but they really have no use outside of that. MBC (with or without the red) relies on threats to be good. Visara is needed. Not only that, but the Wish has messed your board up, what happens when you need more than one of a card? |
1 - solemn gives card adv and mana adv, is a meat for therapy and chump blocker, sometimes just attacks... it's enough, especially because MBC really needs card adv...
2 - again... MBC does not rely on threats... MBC is not an aggro deck, it's control, it doesn't have to threaten your opponent, he has to do it... if he wouldn't then he'll loose 'cause you'll eventually get that consume/wish...
| sephiroth667 wrote: | | I would try my suggestions at least, and see what you think of them. |
to be true with you i've already tried all of your suggestions, a long time ago, i'm not playing mbc since yesterday... it is simply working worse or isn't working at all...  |
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negatorwins
Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 19
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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hey why dosnt this deck run good cards
cough nantuko husk |
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