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C-Board
Joined: 26 Dec 2004
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 Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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the idea for the 1700+ trials are meant to be a reward for the league's more active players, as well as a bad player filter
1700- mini's make no sense, you do not reward ppl for losing, because that is the same as punishing ppl for winning.
again I state this 1700 ON M-L IS NOT HARD TO GET
even if you're not the greatest, you can still get 1700+ with a little effort
there is nothing wrong with 1700+ trials, its not like they are every trial anyways. Once in a while its fine.
If you have a problem with it, stop whining and use the time to work up your playskill. |
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tcook589
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you Daro_G |
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swordfish2
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| i just dont think that having 1700 plus trials and minis is cool, it takes out many of the people that want to play, and makes it harder for them to make it to 1700 |
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kfcman1084
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Ive been active on this account for a little more than 3 weeks now |
streak, zlike the dude b4 u said people wit no life. |
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kilomitro
Joined: 25 Oct 2004
Posts: 158
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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i think a strong reason why there are +1700 trials is because people are intrested in testing decks they want to take to large tournies (regionals anyone). so by eliminating players that either A) play casual decks and B) suck you have eliminated unwanted competion. i seriously doubt that the player using ghost dad wants to play against zuebera.dec in a trial.
also it really isnt that hard to get ur rating to 1700. play a few minis and ur already there. |
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Wludyka
Joined: 12 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Ya honestly. Like before this week I would always join tournaments and drop and my rating took a big hit. I was at like 1580 up to about 2 days ago then I decided I wanted to become 1700+. Since then I've won a tournament and almost the second one back to back except for a retarded mistake  . My rating has gone up 40 points in 2 days from only playing in 2 tournaments and it honestly took no work at all. Stop complaining because you want a rating handed to you. This is just laziness. Like I just got back into magic IRL when guildpact came out and started with a new DCI number. I'm 16 but I've worked my rating to around 1650 in a few months. I know it's not that spectacular but honestly just fucking work for your rating. These 1700+ tournies are to recognize the upper level of ML players. |
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Craze
Joined: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 5347
Location: Indiana, U
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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alright apperently over the last past month or so tcook has gotten ahold of some crack.. Cause its statements are fucked up.
| Quote: | | Chill out with Streakz. He presents a good point. If you don't have the rating it takes to get into the tournament you want to get into and are given the same, fair opportunity to earn it, then do the work. Stop bitching about things not being fair when there are tournaments set up for those who succeed; they earned it, they succeeded. |
See, this is what I hate about judges, mostly j1s being as j2s are a little too arrogent to still act like players.
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD A PLAYER HAVE TO EARN THE RIGHT FOR A MINI. Have we forgotten the concept of a FREE league? Yea sure, this is different then paying money, but its restricting players. Now, their is in fact a limit to where giving rewards to higher ranks are good: But guys we already have a tourny that gives rewards to higher ranks: its called a Invintational.
This works cause everyone gets the oppertunity to earn invites. However again, I say: Tournies restricted to rating is not at all fair.
Shall I list the problems with it again:
-Unfair expectations given to a team or player
-Even more lowering of the quantity of minis a average player can join.
-The increased work it takes to get +1700
-The lesser of TCs to host minis(again, most of these +1700 players are j1s, and are you gonna host your own mini and get less points or join someone elses and get more? Thats what I thought)
-Site errors: Randomly causing ratings to drop or rise
-The less number of players actually entering trials
Yea, your right though, these problems should be ignored so selfish judges and players with less of a life then me can get more points. Great reasoning guys.
| Quote: | | Stop trying to make waves. Go with the flow. Magic is fun. Use this great opportunity to get better. |
Yes, magic is fun, thats why you boost the level of competition just to earn the ability to play.
I love how you use the line
| Quote: | | Use this great opportunity to get better |
to endorse a method that actually limits opportunity. Isn't that like saying: Smoke to help the air get cleaner?
| Quote: | 1700- mini's make no sense, you do not reward ppl for losing, because that is the same as punishing ppl for winning.
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Actually its not even close to the same. See we have rewards: its called prizes. You can win these beasts during invintationals(also a player restricted tourny) and masters.
However by making a 1700- mini you are in fact saying, ok "Since you asswipes wanna steal others player's chances to play: we'll make this in order to actually give the lesser players a chance"
Its called Equal Oppertunity, its kinda the concept of being a free league.
| Quote: | there is nothing wrong with 1700+ trials, its not like they are every trial anyways. Once in a while its fine.
If you have a problem with it, stop whining and use the time to work up your playskill. |
No, but the minis are increasing in number. BY ALOT. And this trial shit only encourages it. I fear when I return for basic, their will be no non 1700+ minis even being run.
After all lets face it, their isn't that much minis being run in the first place, its not fair to make the few that get run restricted. |
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Wludyka
Joined: 12 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Yea, your right though, these problems should be ignored so selfish judges and players with less of a life then me can get more points. Great reasoning guys. |
Ya! There it is. I knew someone would throw this out. The fact is that in real life competition is stiff. I can't tell you how many goddamn times I've tried to test a legitimate Tier 1 deck and found myself playing against someone with randompile.dec. Blue Zubera FTW! It is infuriating to play against such incompetency. The 1700+ represent the league's better players and people that would actually be a challenge to beat. [/quote] |
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Craze
Joined: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 5347
Location: Indiana, U
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| kilomitro wrote: | i think a strong reason why there are +1700 trials is because people are intrested in testing decks they want to take to large tournies (regionals anyone). so by eliminating players that either A) play casual decks and B) suck you have eliminated unwanted competion. i seriously doubt that the player using ghost dad wants to play against zuebera.dec in a trial.
also it really isnt that hard to get ur rating to 1700. play a few minis and ur already there. |
How you gonna play minis if their all +1700?
And I have never played a Zubera deck in a trial, and I've been here a while. Also note, that the upcoming event such as regionals would mean hosting of more minis, which obv isn't the case. No, the only reason in the increase is the bullshit rise in league points they get.
| Quote: | | Stop complaining because you want a rating handed to you. This is just laziness. Like I just got back into magic IRL when guildpact came out and started with a new DCI number. I'm 16 but I've worked my rating to around 1650 in a few months. I know it's not that spectacular but honestly just fucking work for your rating. These 1700+ tournies are to recognize the upper level of ML players. |
Umm...rating handed to me? wtf...
Lets flash to a famous quote by my good friend Nantuko:
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Magic-League is EXACTLY like Who's Line Is It Anyway?, except we have Joopjan instead of Wayne Brady. =(
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Morale: POINTS DON'T MATTER
I don't play trials for points(besides teams) I play trials to win an invite to an invintational for the beautiful cash prize. But wait, how the hell can you enter a god damn trial if theirs a rating restriction....
alright I think its time we think for a second. See everyone here as used the same defense for +1700 tournys
| Annoying Flamers wrote: |
To give a reward to upper level players
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But at the exact same time: you say:
| Annoying Flamers wrote: |
+1700 isn't hard to get
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So, if its for the upper level players shouldn't the restrictions be more like....1850+ or how about 1900+ Wait didn't pG once have 2000, maybe it should be that...
oh wait, then no one could play...
See the thing, is that these restrictions aren't an award or else it wouldn't be +1700 cause obv thats too easy according to you guys.
No, these are so, the primary players don't lose a large amount of points to weak ass decks, just cause their oppenents had a better deck. I mean honestly, if its soo easy, then why even make the rating restriction? It shouldn't matter who you played cause in a day or two you'll jump to the 1800s...in a week you should be up in the 2ks...So who cares if your playing someone in the 1600s?
You do, cause its not easy unless your oppenent has a huge rating like yours....so this 1700+ mini is making it easier....
and you say we want ratings handed to us |
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NahHolmes
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Craze wrote: |
And I have never played a Zubera deck in a trial, and I've been here a while. |
| Craze wrote: |
Heres the deck:
//NAME: BR Sligh
// Land
1 Plains
1 Mountain
2 Swamp
4 Tendo Ice Bridge
4 Godless Shrine
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Blood Crypt
// Creature
3 Avatar of Discord
3 Souls of the Faultless
4 Jagged Poppet
// Other Spells
4 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Phyrexian Arena
4 Wrath of God
3 Flames of the Blood Hand
3 Mortify
3 Peace of Mind
4 Lightning Helix
3 Char
3 Anthem of Rakdos
// Sideboard
SB: 3 Sacred Ground
SB: 3 Pithing Needle
SB: 3 Terashi's Grasp
SB: 3 Reverence
SB: 3 Pain Magnification |
Looks like a Zubera deck to me if you know what I mean...
Basically this is a retarded arguement that I've been sucked into before let me save everyone the time.
About 100 people will defend the 1700+ trial even some with under 1700 saying that rewarding good players every once in a while makes sense (I mean really how many 1700+ minis are there maybe 2-3 a day and 1 trial a week). Then about 2-3 people who have about zero chance of EVER breaking 1700 will defend there ideas to the death that 1700+ trials are the greatest injustice ever even going so far as to say things like...
| Craze wrote: | See the thing, is that these restrictions aren't an award or else it wouldn't be +1700 cause obv thats too easy according to you guys.
No, these are so, the primary players don't lose a large amount of points to weak ass decks, just cause their oppenents had a better deck. I mean honestly, if its soo easy, then why even make the rating restriction? It shouldn't matter who you played cause in a day or two you'll jump to the 1800s...in a week you should be up in the 2ks...So who cares if your playing someone in the 1600s? |
Ignoring the fact that when we say rewarding the 1700+ players in the same sentence as 1700 isn't hard to get, we are basically saying rewarding the players that don't suck. Seriously 1700 is pretty easy to get if you don't suck I mean my T2 deck wasn't even that good and I got to 1750 before everyone caught up and started playing descent decks.
Anyways this doesn't matter, an award winning essay on the merits of 1700+ trials could take place and Craze would ignore it because he doesn't want to admit that no matter how hard he tries he can't crack 1700, and 1700+ trials are just a constant reminder of this. So offer up all of the arguements that you want but 90% of the players here won't change their mind unless their rating takes a drastic turn up/down. 1700+ trials/minis will continue and all 1700- players who publically object will be ridiculed so get used to that. |
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Gerrardfo
Joined: 04 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| We barely have 1700+ minis because they don't fill; people aren't interested in them. The trials draw in people and are easier to run, and these things only happen once a week at most. |
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Craze
Joined: 30 Jan 2005
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Location: Indiana, U
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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NahHolmes, is like mexican food, looks good, but in the end is shit.
| Quote: | | Looks like a Zubera deck to me if you know what I mean... |
oh thats clever...
GG there. Gee man, next time you gotta include a dumbass additonal flame like that to make your retard responce look just a tad better, perhaps you should try a more recent one that wasn't a dumb idea I had 5 seconds after first getting a glance at Dissension.
Really, man, just....nevermind.
| Quote: | | Then about 2-3 people who have about zero chance of EVER breaking 1700 will defend there ideas to the death that 1700+ trials are the greatest injustice ever even going so far as to say things like... |
See, in this you refer to me having "zero chance of EVER breaking 1700." Now, unlike every other poster in this thread, you choose to flame ME outside of even defending the +1700 trials, and even worse you flame me horribly. Never stand a chance? Perhaps you still don't have the brains to look, but I'm about a days work from breaking +1700 minis. But sadly I have not the time(leaving soon for Basic plus I'm actually dealing with somthing called life: look it up) to do it soon. I leave Next Thursday for 9 weeks, when I get back, I'll break 1700 ok?
But again, your entire flame here uses the fact that my opinion is just a whine because these trials disclude me. This is again WRONG. I don't actually have time for these trials, nor do I whine about this. No, I actually think about someone else, and look at things in a whole.
Basic Point: Restrictions screw more people then they "reward".
Also, if you notice the number of people in each side of the arguement has been around equal. Not that your 100 to 2-3 people analogy was horribly wrong...actually it was.
| Quote: | | Ignoring the fact that when we say rewarding the 1700+ players in the same sentence as 1700 isn't hard to get, we are basically saying rewarding the players that don't suck. Seriously 1700 is pretty easy to get if you don't suck I mean my T2 deck wasn't even that good and I got to 1750 before everyone caught up and started playing descent decks. |
Your missing a few things here:
1. Its a "Reward" by allowing chances for more points to be earned. See every other post of mine to understand why this is a bad thing.
2. If getting +1700 minis is soo easy, why should you get a reward for it? Even more so,. if being 1600s means we suck(as you pointed out with me) then +1700 should mean decent. Rewards go to good players right? That generally(on your scale) should shoot it up to 1800+ But again, I don't see those getting more then 3 people at a time.
And finally Item 3:
Has it ever occurred to you that when people talk about ML, they talk about how bad it is? In fact usually one can't name many good players outside of Thalai and J_Myers. My point of course is that many will even say that even invintationals will see fucked up random jank decks(this claim goes up more if the jank decks win).
So to add this all up again for you:
If invintationals, alot harder tourny to enter then the +1700 ones, sees bad decks, the chances are your +1700 ones gonna see twice as many. So wait, +1700 minis really don't earn you better games, do they?
Also, I haven't ignored one single argument said, I've even replied to them, perhaps your too busy ignoring mine, to know that?
| Quote: | | Anyways this doesn't matter, an award winning essay on the merits of 1700+ trials could take place and Craze would ignore it because he doesn't want to admit that no matter how hard he tries he can't crack 1700, and 1700+ trials are just a constant reminder of this. So offer up all of the arguements that you want but 90% of the players here won't change their mind unless their rating takes a drastic turn up/down. 1700+ trials/minis will continue and all 1700- players who publically object will be ridiculed so get used to that. |
While not counting the whole part on me ignoring shit(don't know where you pulled that claim out of your ass) and about me never breaking 1700(Really, only 70 points away...) Sadly there is truth to this statement. +1700 minis will continue, and while idiots like you will still flame me, I'll still continue to preach out and upon my return I'll break +1700 and STILL BE AGAINST IT (maybe cause I'm capable of not thinking of myself)
| Gerrardfo wrote: |
We barely have 1700+ minis because they don't fill; people aren't interested in them. The trials draw in people and are easier to run, and these things only happen once a week at most.
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On the contrary, +1700 trials draw in LESS people then normal ones and thats why their easier to run.
Another thing is, that +1700 minis are increasing unfortunetly, whether how long they take to fill up...well thats somthing I don't care about. |
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NahHolmes
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Yawn... Craze you are a terrible magic player, don't try to play like you have a life or a chance to break 1700. You are at 1622, that's "a day away from 1700" if you plan on winning like 8 games in a row but for you this seems far past unlikely. I don't give a shit what you do outside this league, please don't assume otherwise but I'm about 100% sure your not into anything that would amaze me too much. The only thing you seem to be remotely good at is talking shit and forreal you aren't even that good at that. I didn't waste my time "defending 1700+ trials" because 1: No matter what I say you are going to cry on. 2: 1700+ trials will continue so I don't need to defend them. 3: Everyone else has already done a fine job defending them but you only hear what you want to hear.
Anyways fuck a Craze, nobody likes that whiney bitch anyways.
Oh one more thing...
| Craze wrote: | perhaps you should try a more recent one that wasn't a dumb idea I had 5 seconds after first getting a glance at Dissension.
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Umm ok how about your shitty Fungus Fires deck. |
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Craze
Joined: 30 Jan 2005
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Location: Indiana, U
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Yawn... Craze you are a terrible magic player, don't try to play like you have a life or a chance to break 1700. |
Your an idiot....I...don't actually wanna say anymore...
| Quote: | | The only thing you seem to be remotely good at is talking shit and forreal you aren't even that good at that. |
Oh but I'm trying to take lessons off of you.
Maybe you should right a book...
"Pulling shit out of my ass" by NahHolmes
its catchy!
| Quote: | | 1: No matter what I say you are going to cry on. |
Never cried once...
Also never whined, balled, begged, quivered, sneezed, sang, danced, yelled, got angry, burst, or ignored anything one time during this thread.
Chapter 1: The art of false verbs
| Quote: | | 2: 1700+ trials will continue so I don't need to defend them. |
Well for a while anyway.
Chapter 2: Using Sad truths to distract from ignorance.
| Quote: | | 3: Everyone else has already done a fine job defending them but you only hear what you want to hear. |
Seriously, I'm not sure where you get lost...
Chapter 3: The art of false accusations
| Quote: | | Anyways fuck a Craze, nobody likes that whiney bitch anyways. |
Fuck....a....Craze? Your dream, huh?
| Quote: | | Umm ok how about your shitty Fungus Fires deck. |
Yea, losing 4/11 matches....soo horrible.
I can get in on the whole FF name flames...but thats for a different time.
Chapter 4: Off Subject remarks: How they can help you!
You'll have to think of the rest of the chapters yourself. |
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tcook589
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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"leaving soon for Basic plus I'm actually dealing with somthing called life: look it up"
Craze
Joined: 30 Jan 2005
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1700+ Mini's arent bad. |
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