Viable Combo in Vintage?

ickeyray · Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 3

Here's a deck I'm thinking of:

False Immortality (60) Cards

(4) False Cure............the combo
(4) Beacon of Immortality

(1) Demonic Tutor.........search
(1) Vampiric Tutor
(1) Ancestral Recall
(1) Time Walk
(1) Timetwister
(1) Regrowth
(4) Impulse
(4) Brainstorm

(1) Balance...............protection
(4) Force of Will
(2) Mana Drain

(1) Black Lotus...........mana
(1) Sol Ring
(1) Mox Emerald
(1) Mox Jet
(1) Mox Pearl
(1) Mox Sapphire

(1) Library of Alexandria...land
(1) Tolarian Academy
(1) Boseiju, Who Shelters All
(4) City of Brass
(4) Underground Sea
(4) Tundra
(4) Scrubland
(2) Tropical Island
(2) Savannah
(2) Bayou

ant900 · Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2480 Location: somewhere

ickeyray · Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 3

Yeah, I prefer playing my own ideas as opposed to playing some netdeck.

It's just been quite awhile since I've played Vintage, so I was wondering if it'd be too slow.

ant900 · Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2480 Location: somewhere

im not telling you to play a netdeck, just pointing out the fact that yes your deck is too slow

RThomas · Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 384

Bejeezus · Joined: 12 Dec 2004 Posts: 1712 Location: Right Here

From On the Mainland Again by John Carter, Saturday, March 11, 2006:

Q: If I play Beacon of Immortality targeting my opponent whose life total is 20, does he actually gain 20 life or does his life just become 40? I'm thinking of False Cure here... --Fred

A: Changes in life totals are treated as life gains (increases) or losses (decreases). [CR Glossary: "Life, Life Total"] The Beacon doubling 20 into 40 means a 20-point gain just occurred and will trigger False Cure.

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From Saturday School #80 by Rune Horvik, Saturday, May 29, 2004:

Q: Does Beacon of Immortality count as life gain for the purposes of False Cure? If so, that's an instant win combo, isn't it?
-- Jim Bruene

A: If Beacon of Immortality causes a life total to increase, the game sees this as life gain, and False Cure will cause the player to lose twice that amount of life, which causes the player to lose the game (unless the player has a Platinum Angel, or something else that causes you to not lose by having 0 life).

As far as the deck goes...I think that it may be to easily disrupted...Maybe adding more counter magic may help.

And perhaps you may benefit from Mana Crypt and Mana Vault.

ant900 · Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2480 Location: somewhere

Hacko · Joined: 13 Sep 2004 Posts: 18

Add a hell of a lot more draw, and instead of needing 5 to cast white beacon, add some "forests" and use all the green stuff that lets you cast it for free if you have players gain life...

(been playing it on 2hg casual...)

ickeyray · Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 3

Thanks all, yeah, goldfishing it it seldom goes off before turn 5, probably too slow for today's enviornment.

I just loved the idea, giving life and taking it away.

ant900 · Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2480 Location: somewhere

if you try it in extended you might have a better chance

yehudi · Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 86

might work only i would ad doomsday to make a nice doomsday stack on turn 3 and win then and there

RThomas · Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 384

Okay, since we're addressing this as a viable deck, where can I begin?

-Your combo costs 8 mana. At that rate, you might as well add another mana and play Tooth and Nail. At least then, you won't have to protect 2 spells.

-Your combo is incredibly, nastily, stupidly, inherantly slow. You don't need all of the random combo cards, since they're not doing anything for you anyways.

-Six counterspells is not enough to sustain you to 8 mana.

-You play no basic land. Your manabase will be consistantly wrecked by Wasteland, Blood Moon, and Back to Basics.

-Other obvious stuff

Your deck may be something in casual play, but it isn't tournament worthy. Moved.