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DJTech · Joined: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 74 Location: ROVA

Ok Mortify is strictly better than Putrefy right now... The only thing you dont want in play that's an Artifact should never have an equip target and unless your opponent is playing Giant Solifuge + Jitte then you should be fine. Why do you care about Needle, worst case scenario they Needle your Hierarch that you rarely activate or stop your Scarab you might be able to warrent playing it if you had a few Vitu-Ghazi tree's which you might want to consider for this deck. It's already been said, but vs. any player with a brain, you're not going to get a Top with Putrefy ever. If you play Tree (which you should) I would try to run 4x Mortify and 2x Putrefy. Also, Scarab is solid in a MUC heavy metagame, but I really prefer Nightmare Void. I guess either way is fine though. I guess I like the Void because it hits their win conditions as well late game. I really like the Dimir, but I think it might clutter the deck a little. (It's kinda like putting Living Wish in the extended rock decks, it's really not worth the random inconsistancy and you lose a turn when you Wish for an answer or transmute in your case.)

PS: Mortify > Fetters, Glare, Greater Good, Ideal, opposing Arenas (which is VERY crucial in a mirror-match) The list goes on, it's really not debatable.

Bejeezus · Joined: 12 Dec 2004 Posts: 1726 Location: Right Here

I've been thinking a bit...And if I go with the plan to cut the Birds and add more land, those lands can be Vitu-Ghazi, uncounterable little men...And this may allow me to cut out Mr. Scarab.

Thoughts?

DJTech · Joined: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 74 Location: ROVA

Yeah the Birds are quite bad with that crazy little Mono-Red deck running around, I would add the Trees for sure and the Elder is going to be much more appreciated without the Birds, but the game is not lost without him. The Scarab needs to be a metagame call I think, but I wouldn't value it too highly as it's best vs. the decks you should be crushing anyways. Persecute vs mono-blue after making them counter some threats is amazing. Plus your deck easily deals with Jushi and Co. I think your deck is headed in the right direction, what do you have so far?

BadAndy · Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 13

i like the fetters. it helps you get back some of the life you lose to arena. i think putrefy should be main. i think cranial extraction shouldn't be ran in the main however if your stuck on clearing your oppenents deck of something game 1 you could run eradicate main and then sideboard eradicate for cranial extraction for game 2 and 3... you really do need wrath. if your deck is suppose to wreck most metagame then you should prolly play scareb for those muc players out thier or u/r. also imo eminent domain seems popular right now (won the 2-24 trial) so you might want an answer for that in your sideboard if you don't already have one.

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Cosmo · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 138

Cosmo · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 138

Bejeezus · Joined: 12 Dec 2004 Posts: 1726 Location: Right Here

I haven't really put together a new list yet, but this is what I'm thinking...

Creatures:
x4 Kokusho, the Evening Star
x1 Grave-Shell Scarab
x4 Loxodon Hierarch
x4 Sakura-Tribe Elder

Other:
x3 Phyrexian Arena
x4 Cranial Extraction
x3 Persecute
x3 Faith's Fetters
x4 Mortify
x2 Pithing Needle

Open:
x2 *-Something-*

Land:
x3 Vitu-Ghazi, the City Tree
x4 Overgrown Tomb
x3 Temple Garden
x3 Godless Shrine
x7 Swamp
x2 Plains
x4 Forest

As you can see, I still have 2 open slots, to which I have a few choices to make.

1.) I can fill in a couple 3-of spaces making those cards more consistent in appearence (Can be both good or bad).
That'd be +1 Pithing Needle, +1 Faith's Fetters.

2.) I can add another win condition in the form of a creature. There are a few choices that can be made here as well, because there are many good creatures to choose from.
+ Yosei , + Arashi , + Other

3.) Something Else. I'm all open for your ideas, and if you think you have a decent idea other than those already said, then obviously you can say them.

The sideboard is the same, I think that it's good enough as it is.

Any more thoughts?

~Bejeezus~

Strovil · Joined: 11 Mar 2005 Posts: 566

DJTech · Joined: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 74 Location: ROVA

Apos · Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 754

1 nightmare void is alwys not bad in a bgw control deck like urs
time of need is an option to just think of : yosei,koku,kodama,arashi maybe kagemaro ^^

Bejeezus · Joined: 12 Dec 2004 Posts: 1726 Location: Right Here

OK, so far I have these changes to consider:

OUT:
-1 Swamp
-1 Forest
-1 Cranial Extraction

IN:
+1 Shizo
+1 Okina
+1 Phyrexian Arena
+1 Kagemaro
+1 Nightmare Void

I also really like that suggestion of a solitaire Time of Need, right off the bat it doesn't seem like a bad choice. So what do you think about that?

DJTech · Joined: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 74 Location: ROVA

What could you cut for it though? It seems tricky, but with the 4th Arena you'll be consistently drawing more cards and wont usually need to toolbox into an answer. Certainly try it out if you need to by all means. You should re-post a list finalized if you get a second.

Bejeezus · Joined: 12 Dec 2004 Posts: 1726 Location: Right Here

*An Updated List*

Creatures:
x4 Kokusho
x1 Grave-Shell Scarab
x1 Kagemaro
x4 Loxodon Hierarch
x4 Sakura-Tribe Elder

Other:
x4 Phyrexian Arena
x3 Cranial Extraction
x3 Persecute
x1 Nightmare Void
x4 Mortify
x3 Faith's Fetters
x2 Pithing Needle

Land:
x2 Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree
x4 Overgrown Tomb
x3 Temple Garden
x3 Godless Shrine
x1 Shizo
x1 Okina
x6 Swamp
x2 Plains
x4 Forest

Sideboard:
x4 Wrath of God
x4 Defense Grid
x4 Sacred Ground
x3 Putrefy

This is what I have so far...
Any suggestions?
Input?
Thoughts?

~Bejeezus~

DJTech · Joined: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 74 Location: ROVA

I really like where the deck is at right now. The only thing questionable at this point may be the 4x Kokusho, but I like it that way just because this deck seems like with Heriarch a lot of times you'll have an opponent at 10 or less and 2x Kokusho is game over. You can also work on the SB too. I'll think on the SB and get back to you.

EDIT:

Ok, you definitely want 4x Sacred Ground. Also, Ghostly Prison would be great except any agro deck will be boarding in Naturalize for your Fetters and Arenas. Wrath seems like the right card here, but I still have a hard time playing this card in the board. You could also consider Naturalize yourself. Youâ€™re going to need to test this though to see how your match ups are before you can finalize a SB, of thatâ€™s even possible.